Be at Peace!

My Part of the Peace Plan:

LEADERS > CHURCH:

  1. LABOR . (1 Thes 5:12)


  2. LEAD . (1 Thes 5:12)


  3. ADMONISH . (1 Thes 5:12)

CHURCH > LEADERS:

  1. RESPECT . (1 Thes 5:13)


  2. ESTEEM . (1 Thes 5:13)


  3. PEACE . (1 Thes 5:13)

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    Amen. Open your Bibles with me please to the book of 1 Thessalonians. 1 Thessalonians.

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    We're going to be in chapter 5 and looking at just two verses today. 1 Thessalonians chapter 5, picking up in verse 12. The apostle Paul says, "We ask you, brothers, let's stop there for a second. This term comes up a lot, you've seen, especially in Paul's writings, "brothers." It literally means brothers and sisters, okay? It's just talking about brethren. It's talking about family.

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    It's a family term. And as Paul's talking to this church, and I'm echoing this for our church here, I understand that we are a family.

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    First of all, we have the same father.

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    We have the same goals.

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    We love each other.

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    We protect each other.

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    And we encourage each other.

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    But sometimes, like a family, sometimes we fight when we don't get our way.

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    And does anybody have that happening in your house?

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    Maybe fighting going on because you don't get your way or somebody is angry because they didn't get their way.

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    And I've got to tell you, I'm at the stage in my life now where I have been able to see it from two different sides.

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    I can remember being a child, insisting on getting my own way, and now I have children that want their own way.

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    Anybody else with me on that?

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    Do you have like certain things in your house that seem to be recurring fights?

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    Don't like tell me what it is, but do you have something in your house that's like a recurring fight?

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    Like, "We're going to fight about this again." Does anybody else have that?

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    We have that.

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    We have that, and I'm not making this up.

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    This is a recurring fight that we have in our house.

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    I'm not going to mention names, but he's sitting beside his mother right here.

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    We just had this fight again on Friday.

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    And it always starts with him saying, "I want to be the oldest!" I'm like, "Sorry buddy, you can't be the oldest." "It's not fair!

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    I want to be the oldest!" And I'm like, "There is literally nothing I can do about that.

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    I can't even coddle that." I'm like, "Your request is ridiculous." He's like, "It's not fair.

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    I want to be the oldest." I can't help you with that.

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    And it happened again on Friday.

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    I was informed, he said, "I'm going to go find a family where I can be the oldest.

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    I'm getting a new family and I'm going to be the oldest." And I said, "Hey, you know what?

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    If you can find a family of people under nine, go for it.

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    Best of luck to you." And really what the argument always boils down to is this.

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    I want to be in charge.

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    And there are times that Aaron and I have led them.

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    They're like, "You want to be in charge?

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    Okay, you know what?

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    Go ahead.

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    Do what you want." They're like, "You know what?

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    Mommy and I are just going to sit over here and we're going to watch TV or whatever, and you can do whatever you want." Guess how long that lasts, by the way?

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    Take a guess.

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    If you said an hour, you shot that way over.

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    It usually lasts about 15 minutes.

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    "Well, I need this." "You know what, you're in charge and I'll get it yourself." "You're in charge." Eventually there's repentance and there's sackcloth and ashes.

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    And he rehires us as parents.

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    But if we're honest, even in the church, some of us that are older than nine can get into that mindset.

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    "I want everything to be my way." I prefer my preferences about everything.

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    You mean like everybody else in the world?

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    Yeah!

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    Like everybody else.

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    But it has to be my way.

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    There's a lot of fighting that can happen in the church when we don't get our own way.

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    As we turn to 1 Thessalonians, we're coming to the end.

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    This letter from Paul was to this young church in Thessalonica.

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    The gist of the letter is this.

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    Paul says, "I love you and I long to see you guys." You remember Paul sort of had to get out of town in a hurry.

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    There was a massive riot, Acts chapter 17.

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    He wasn't there very long.

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    And he goes, "I just really want to get back and see you.

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    And I have so much more I want to teach you." These last two messages, today and next week, this passage Paul just closes with instruction for the church. Verses 12 and 13 that we're looking at today, he's talking about the relationship of the church with the leadership within the church.

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    Okay, so verse 12 says, "We ask you brothers, family, to respect those who labor among you and are over you in the Lord and admonish you and to esteem them very highly in love because of their work. Be at peace among yourselves." Notice he says in verse 12, "Respect those who labor among you and are," he says, "over you." Notice that unlike in Timothy and in Titus, Paul doesn't mention elders. Why?

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    Why?

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    This was such a young church, they probably didn't have elders, okay?

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    You know that's not how it works.

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    It's not like, "Hey, we're starting a church.

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    Who wants to be an elder?" It takes some time to get to know people, see who God is equipping and calling to fulfill that role.

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    It's not like, "You're a warm body.

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    Do you want to be an elder?

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    You got saved last week.

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    Do you want to be an elder?" You need people who have a shepherd heart and a maturity in their faith.

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    And the church at Thessalonica, they just didn't have that at this point from what I can see, but they had to have had some type of leadership.

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    So, the principles that he's giving here that I'm going to share with you today just simply apply to people in positions of leadership in the church.

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    Harvest Bible Chapel, we would say primarily that refers to the elders and the deacons.

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    Now, you're like, "Well, who is a deacon at Harvest Bible Chapel?" We don't have people that we call deacons, but we have people that fulfill the deacon role.

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    Okay?

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    We have elders, the elder board, of which there are four of us, and then we have what we call the ministry team.

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    And in my mind, those are the deacons at the church.

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    the people who do the work of the ministry, like deacons are called to do, and equip others to do the work of the ministry.

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    At Harvest Bible Chapel, we have elders and we have ministry team leaders.

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    So as we're reading these verses, that sets the context of how it applies here.

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    All just boils the church down really to just two roles in this.

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    leaders in church.

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    And I want you to notice in these verses that we read that Paul directs the charge to who?

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    He directs it to the church, doesn't he?

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    He asks you brothers to respect those who labor among you.

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    He isn't really giving instructions for the leadership, he's giving instructions for the church but in so doing, he describes what the leaders are supposed to be doing.

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    The last phrase in verse 13 is really the bow on the package here, where he says, "Be at peace among yourselves." "Be at peace among yourselves." So when we consider the relationship between the leaders of the church and the church body, Paul says the end game of our relationship, and we can get the ministry team up here and the elders up here, we would say the end game of our relationship is having peace in the church.

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    I'm going to break it down for us quickly this morning.

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    On your outline, I want you to jot some things down.

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    My part of the peace plan.

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    Okay, what's the peace plan here?

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    We all have a part, and first I want to address part of the leaders.

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    So church, you're allowed to listen in, but I'm addressing specifically the leaders of this church right now.

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    I'm talking to the elders, Darren, Mark, and Jay.

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    I'm talking to those sitting here that are leaders in the ministry team.

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    Anne, Amanda, Darren, others that are here that are leaders in their respective ministries.

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    I'm talking to you guys right now.

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    I'm part of the peace plan.

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    There's three things that he mentions concerning leaders.

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    First of all, in verse 12, we ask you brothers to respect those who labor among you.

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    First of all, it's labor.

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    What do leaders of the church do?

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    They work in and for the church.

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    This is a common word for work that Paul uses.

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    We've shared it before in different passages we've looked at, but the Greek word for work means to work to exhaustion.

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    It means that you work to exhaustion.

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    Leadership is hard work.

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    I said I was talking to the leaders, but just for a second, I want to talk to the church regarding the leaders and their work.

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    I'd like to remind you, especially as we get into these next couple of points here, I'd like to remind you church that oftentimes really all you see is the finished product, not the work that goes into it.

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    You see, you can come to Harvest Bible Chapel and you can drop off your children and you can sit here and enjoy just having some time, understanding God's Word and praying.

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    What you don't see is all the work that goes into the children's ministry, putting the plan together, the teachers working on the lessons, Mandy working on making sure everybody has clearances that work with children in our church, all the set up that takes place to turn the school into a church for a couple of hours.

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    You know, getting take home papers, materials for crafts, all of the stuff that goes into it.

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    It's hard work.

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    You know, you can come in here and we sing the songs.

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    What you don't see is all the planning that goes in to making that happen.

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    The planning of the sets, the looking into the new music, what songs are we going to use, what songs are we going to cut, how would this work as part of our worship set?

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    The individuals practicing, the band getting together to practice, the work that goes into putting the words on the screen, the people working the AV and the computer during church, realizing that there are people that say, "I'm willing, even during church, to be working our service so that everybody else can enjoy that, so everybody else can worship.

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    There's a lot of work that goes into it.

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    Speaking from the pastoral and elder side of things, you often just get to see the fun part.

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    You know, like playing cornhole at the picnic or getting up and "Hey, I get to study God's Word this week.

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    Let me tell you some of the really neat things that I got to study." You get to see the fun part, but often times you don't get to see the agony of dealing with the huge or the heartbreaking issues.

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    You don't see the calls in the middle of the night.

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    "Hey, somebody's in the hospital.

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    We need you to come down now." You don't see the...

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    One time several years ago, we had a long day of ministry.

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    It was on a Sunday.

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    I remember Aaron and I had just gotten home, I think it was before we had kids, but we had just gotten home.

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    It was 10.30 at night and I sat down on the couch and I'm like, "I am exhausted." Turned on the TV and as soon as I did, my phone rang.

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    "Hello?

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    Pastor Jeff, I have a gun to my head and I'm going to shoot myself." You see, in my position, I can't say, "You know, you need to call back during office hours." You can't do that.

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    It's "Don't move, I'll be right there." And it was, you remember that?

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    All night with this guy.

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    It's not always fun and games.

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    And I'm not complaining.

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    I wouldn't do anything else.

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    I wouldn't do anything else because God told me to do this.

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    I tried to do other things, but God told me to do this.

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    I'm not complaining.

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    What I'm saying is, there's a lot of work that goes into this.

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    It's not as if, "Okay, it's time to preach another sermon.

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    I'll just get on this website and they'll download the notes for me and I'll just get up and share it." On top of all of the other work that goes into it, the counseling sessions, the administrative You also have to find 15 or 20 hours a week to study a passage of Scripture.

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    Each ministry, each ministry requires hard work to be excellent.

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    Like, well how hard?

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    Well, just looking in 1 Thessalonians, remember chapter 2 and verse 7, the apostle Paul says, But we were gentle among you like a nursing mother.

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    Sometimes ministry feels like it's that hard.

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    The hardest job.

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    There's the ultimate example for long and hard work.

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    Think of that nursing mother.

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    Think of what that mother has put her body through.

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    Think of, you know, delivery and up all night feeding and wiping bottoms and giving up or modifying careers often times.

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    Why in the world would a mother do that?

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    She does it out of love.

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    You see, and that's why everybody at the church that are in positions of leadership, that's why we work hard.

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    Because Christ is worth it.

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    Right, leaders?

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    Christ is worth it.

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    It's because His mission is worth it, right?

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    People are worth it.

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    Seeing people saved and transformed, it's worth it.

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    I say it every baptism service.

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    We have another one coming up October 17th actually at Northway.

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    If you need to talk about taking that step of making the public profession a faith, to talk to me as soon as possible.

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    We would love to celebrate that with you.

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    But I say it every time we have one.

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    I say this is why I do what I do.

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    To see somebody who's been radically transformed by the love of Jesus Christ, to see somebody that says, "My sin has separated me from my God, "and there's nothing I can do about it.

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    "But the glorious good news is God did everything for me.

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    "He came and He died.

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    Jesus Christ died for my sin, and He rose from the dead to give me eternal life.

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    That's why we do what we do.

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    That's why we work so hard.

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    To be in a place where we can just sit back and watch Jesus Christ change lives.

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    To watch Jesus do what only He can do.

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    The leaders - we work hard.

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    We work hard.

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    We don't need to apologize for that.

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    We don't need to try to get around it.

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    In a position of leadership, it's hard work.

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    That's the word Paul uses here.

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    He says, "Respect those who labor among you." Secondly, he says, "And are over you." Number two, just write down, "Lead." Again elder team, ministry team, they lead.

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    We impart wisdom, we give direction, we protect the flock, we give guidance, encouraging and discipling. A lot of people like the idea of being a leader but they don't want to lead. The previous point because leading is hard work. You have to set the tone leaders, you have to steer the ship, you have to implement a strategy, you have to train people, you have to delegate responsibilities, and then you have to circle back and evaluate how effective and how well we are on mission.

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    It requires leadership.

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    It requires taking initiative.

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    What type of leadership?

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    He says, "Over you." See that next phrase?

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    "The labor among you and are over you." He says, "In the Lord." In the Lord.

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    This is the Lord's structure, this is the Lord's plan, and leaders, ministry team and elders, you're representing Christ in the way that you're leading the people that you're serving.

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    You see?

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    And there's all these models for ministry, you know, the CEO model, and the, you know, all these business models, and certainly we can glean some wisdom.

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    But at the end of the day, our model for ministry is Jesus Christ.

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    The leader of everything who came as a servant.

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    That's the type of leadership that we are supposed to exemplify.

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    The type of leadership that we are supposed to replicate.

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    The leadership like Jesus Christ.

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    Leadership in the Lord.

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    The leaders, you need to labor, you need to work hard, and you are.

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    This is meant to encourage you.

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    You need to lead.

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    You need to take initiative.

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    You are.

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    I want to encourage you.

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    What else do leaders do?

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    Look at verse 12.

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    He says, "They labor among you and are over you in the Lord and admonish you." And admonish you.

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    The Greek word is "noutheou" which is instruction leaning towards correction.

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    that has a view towards correction.

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    What does that mean?

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    You've noticed if you've been to this church more than once, probably, that when we share God's Word, we're not just trying to give you facts.

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    You can give facts anywhere.

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    These sermons are to encourage you to be who Christ has called you to be and who Christ has equipped you to be by the power of His Holy Spirit.

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    That's admonishing.

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    It's life change in mind.

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    Okay, that's admonishing.

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    This is going to sound overly critical, but whatever.

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    How many times have we heard this silly sermon from people that's like, "Jesus said it's easier for a rich man to go through the eye of a needle." Interesting fact, some archaeologists have thought that the eye of the needle refers to this gate that was in the walls of Jerusalem that was sort of shaped like the eye of a needle and it was so low that the camels actually had to get on their knees to scoot through the eye of the needle. Have you ever heard something like that? First of all, we have no way of knowing whether that's true or not. We have no way of knowing.

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    Second of all, what difference does that make? Was that the point? Was that the point? You know, that Jesus was trying to, you know, teach this, the eternal Word of God, and it was about these camels walking on their knees? I don't even think camels can do that! And that's the point? That's gonna bring life change?

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    Hey, what are you studying at church this week? Oh, I found out that camels can walk on their knees.

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    I want to go to that church.

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    What was the point of that?

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    The point Jesus was making is, it's impossible, right? Isn't that the point?

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    And then the disciples got that. Well, it's impossible. And then Jesus said, "With man it's impossible, but all things are possible with God." That's the point. So when we get up and preach that passage, you're not going to be hearing me talk about the stupid camel, what you're going to be hearing me say is, "Listen, all things are possible with God.

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    And if you're trusting yourself for salvation or spirituality, you're going to fail yourself.

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    It's only possible with God.

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    That is what is going to bring life change." All right?

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    I wish when preachers preach stuff like that, that people would just throw tomatoes at them, Like in the old days.

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    You can do it to me too if I get up and start preaching some meaningless, senseless, unverifiable, historical factoid.

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    Who cares?

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    Admonish.

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    Admonish leaders.

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    What does that mean?

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    You need to see, look at the people in your ministry.

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    You need to see where they are, see where they ought to be, and help them to get there.

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    We're talking about life change.

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    People say, "You know, I'm growing in the Lord, but I have this area that the Lord's really brought to my attention.

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    This is an area where I really need to grow, and our job as leaders is to encourage them towards that.

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    You know, I'm a young married person.

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    I'm really struggling in my marriage." Okay, we encourage them towards that.

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    That's admonishing.

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    We want to give instruction with a view towards correction.

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    That's what the word means.

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    I love, I hardly have a cross-reference here, but I love how Paul said it in 1 Corinthians 4.14.

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    He said, "I do not write these things to make you ashamed, "but to admonish you as my beloved children." You catch that?

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    Paul says, "I'm not telling you this stuff to shame you.

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    "It's not my goal ever to have you walk out of here "with a guilt trip.

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    "I don't want you to walk out of here feeling, "Well, I went to church, I'm a loser.

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    You know, I'm a disappointment to God.

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    That's not true.

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    None of those things are true, but oftentimes people leave churches feeling like that.

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    And that's exactly what Paul was fighting against here.

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    He says, I'm not writing this stuff to make you ashamed.

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    Why are you writing this stuff, Paul?

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    He says, but to admonish you, I want you to grow in Christ.

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    That's why I'm writing these things.

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    But look, everybody in this church has issues that we're dealing with, and struggles, and temptations, and trials.

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    They just look different from person to person.

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    We want you to be encouraged.

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    We want you to keep growing.

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    We want you to keep pursuing that for which Christ is pursuing you.

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    It's admonishing leaders.

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    The leaders, the people in your jurisdiction that maybe are acting like knuckleheads, maybe We need some help getting on course.

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    Remember, we're not here to shame people.

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    We're here to admonish.

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    We're here to admonish.

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    That's enough for the leaders.

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    Now we're going to talk about the church as we wind down here.

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    Church.

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    Church, this is the way that you need to think of your leaders.

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    I'm just going to be honest with you here.

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    Can I do that? Can I be honest for a second? This is a tough passage for me to get up and preach. I don't have an agenda. This is one of those things, right, Kerry, verse by verse through the Bible, we don't skip things, right? It'd just be real easy to come to this passage and be like, "Look at what the Bible says, church. Respect me. You need to respect me.

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    Do you see it?

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    Underline it in your Bible, turn to your neighbor and say, "Respect the pastor." And I certainly don't want to come across that way.

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    But let's just see what the Bible says.

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    All right?

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    You're leaders.

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    The other part of this is just simply this.

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    Currently, I don't see any issues where there's lack of peace in our church.

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    I'm totally missing something.

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    We've been in this really blessed season of peace and joy, and great spiritual growth.

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    But if we're going to do verse by verse expository preaching, then we are going to unapologetically say, "Church, here's how you need to view the elders and the ministry team of this church." Number one, respect.

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    I ask you brothers to respect those who labor.

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    OK?

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    The other side of the coin here.

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    We dealt with the leaders.

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    Now we're dealing with the church.

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    Church, you need to respect the leaders.

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    What does that mean?

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    Interestingly, the Greek word for respect here means-- this is really interesting, and you're going to see why he uses this word.

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    The Greek word means to know.

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    To know.

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    to know someone because you're experiencing life with someone.

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    What's the point?

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    Well, the point is it's easy to dismiss or be unkind or to criticize someone you don't know.

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    Okay, from time to time we bring guest speakers in from the outside, and these are people that I know, but I know it'd be real easy in the church if a guest preacher like Luke Aarons or somebody comes and gives a hard word from scripture, it would be easier to dismiss that guy.

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    I don't know him.

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    Who's he?

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    It's easier to dismiss that guy because you don't know him.

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    But when you know someone, when you really know someone, there's a sense in which you have instant respect for them because you know their heart.

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    For example, when we don't bring in a guy from the outside, we'll just talk about Mark Ward.

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    When Mark Ward preaches, you see, he does an excellent job delivering the word, but it means a lot more to me coming from Mark because I know Mark.

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    You see, I know how Mark loves his wife.

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    I know how Mark interacts with his children.

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    And Mark and I have had so many talks together where Mark has just shared his heart about his love for the church and some things that he's been praying about.

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    And I know his heart.

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    So when I know this man's heart and where he's coming from and his love for the Lord, his love for the family, his love for the church, then he gets up and he says, "I wanna share something with you from the word of God." It's just like, bam, I want to hear this.

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    I want to hear what this guy has to say, because I know him.

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    I know where he's coming from.

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    Does that make sense?

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    That's the type of respect that only comes when you know somebody.

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    And that's what Paul's saying here, church.

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    You need to know your leaders.

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    You need to respect your leaders.

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    You need to take time to get to know them.

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    You need to do life with them.

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    That's why we're encouraging everyone, If you haven't been involved in a small group, get involved.

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    That's the only way you're going to know people in the church.

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    There's a fishbowl and some sign-up sheets.

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    You can get some information about any of our small groups.

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    We just had a new small group lunch last Wednesday.

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    How'd that go, Bob and Dina?

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    Yeah, it was awesome, wasn't it?

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    It was awesome.

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    I bet people were ministered to and I bet you had fun and I bet you left feeling like, "Wow, the Lord really met with us tonight," right?

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    That's the only way you're going to get to know people.

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    That's what he means by respect.

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    Secondly, we've just gone through the passage here.

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    Here's how you need to think of your leaders.

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    He says, "Respect those who labor among you and are over you in the Lord and admonish you," verse 13, "and do esteem them very highly in love because of their work." A mouthful.

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    Esteem them, first of all.

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    What does that mean?

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    It means you speak well of them.

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    It means you encourage them.

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    It means you pray for them.

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    Those are the positive sides.

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    Negative, it means you don't gossip.

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    You don't criticize.

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    The Bible says you need to esteem your leaders.

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    You should be encouraging your leaders.

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    There's nothing that encourages me more than when somebody, and many of you do this, you come to me and say, "Hey, you know what?

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    I'm praying for you." encourages me more than that. You should be doing that for all of the leaders of this church." I'm like, "Well, why should we like, esteem them?

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    Why?" "Well," he says, "because of their work.

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    Because of their work. Not because of their personality or because of their talent, because of their work." "Well, that's why. How should we esteem them?" Notice He says very highly, literally in the Greek, he says "beyond measure." You should have esteem for the leadership of the church that goes beyond measure.

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    I don't have any room to criticize or speak negatively.

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    I have nothing but the utmost respect and esteem for this leader.

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    Then he says, "Esteemed and very highly in love because of their work." In love.

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    The leaders are doing what they're doing out of love for Christ and for Christ's people.

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    That's the currency that you should be exchanging with the leadership of the church.

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    Esteem.

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    I have a stack of books on my bookshelf that says how to be a pastor, how to be a shepherd, how to shepherd a flock, church management.

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    I have a stack of books that talks about how to be a pastor, how to be an elder, how to be a shepherd.

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    Nothing is written for how to be a sheep.

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    This is what the Bible says.

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    Jesus said in John 13, "Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever receives the one I send, receives me and whoever receives me, receives the one who sent me." Did you catch that chain?

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    In other words, if we, elders, ministry team, if we are people who are saved and equipped and sent by Jesus and are faithfully proclaiming His Word and ministering to you, then God's Word says you should be on our side, and for no other reason than the work that we are doing.

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    Following this chain that Jesus talked about in John chapter 13, you're ultimately receiving God when you do that. See, if I'm proclaiming the Word of God, Jesus said receiving me is receiving Him and receiving Him is receiving His Father.

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    Esteem. Respect, esteem, and then finally, this just kind of takes us back to where we started, doesn't it? Verse 13, He says, "Be at peace among yourselves." There's nothing worse.

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    There's nothing worse than a church in conflict. That, that is from the devil.

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    See a church that's young and excited and we're seeing people saved and baptized and we're seeing marriages saved and changed lives and addictions broken and we're seeing these things happen.

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    But then conflict creeps in and suddenly the pastor can't focus on his job, and the volunteers are discouraged, and the mission is put on the back burner because we're investing so much of our energy in the conflict.

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    Suddenly, we're so focused on conflict resolution that we're not focused on making disciples.

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    That's what Satan wants for the church.

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    Let's just spend all our energy fighting with each other and trying to fix all these little problems, and we're not on offense for Christ.

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    not making disciples.

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    Conflict resolution has to happen.

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    The goal, the end game is to get the church in the place where we are at peace among ourselves.

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    What causes the conflict?

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    Again, circling back where we started, somebody didn't get their way.

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    Somebody doesn't like a decision that was made.

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    I have to tell you, church, when decisions are made, there are many hands involved, there's much prayer that goes into it, and there are many reasons for the decisions that are made.

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    You need to know that.

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    We had an elders meeting, what was that, last Tuesday?

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    Was that last Tuesday?

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    How long was it?

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    It was like three hours long.

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    What we're saying is we're spending time praying and seeking the Lord's guidance and will for this church.

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    We don't make snap decisions.

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    "Jay, what do you want to do?" "I want to do this." "Okay, why?" "I don't know." We don't work that way.

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    So when decisions happen that you're like, "I'm not really sure I like that," you have to know that a lot of prayer and thought went into that.

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    Then we met at the Frederick's house, elders and ministry team, like all of the leaders met and had a phenomenal meeting.

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    Lots of decisions were being made and a lot of discussion was going back and forth with with the mind of how can we make disciples.

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    Many hands involved, much prayer involved.

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    And I want to, as I close the message, I just want to leave you with this.

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    When you're tempted, well two things actually, when you're tempted to get upset, when you're tempted to gossip, when you're tempted to demand a meeting with the elders because you didn't agree on a decision that was made, I want you to ask yourself some questions.

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    you can write these down. But when you're tempted to get upset with the leadership of the church, ask yourself these questions. First question is this, "Is this a hill to die on?" Is this a hill worth dying on? This thing that I'm upset about, this decision that was made, is this really worth...

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    You're like, "Well, I'm not really sure how to evaluate that." Well, it's easy. Ask yourself, "Will it matter in five years.

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    This decision that the church has made, is it going to matter in five years? I've seen churches divided at each other's throats over things like sharing space on the bulletin board. True.

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    Like, really? That's what we're fighting about? People are going to hell? And we're fighting about which ministry gets the the bigger half of the bulletin board?

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    I don't get it.

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    I don't get it.

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    So is it a hill worth dying on?

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    Secondly, ask yourself this.

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    This issue that I have.

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    Is it a matter of biblical conviction or personal preference?

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    Is it a matter of biblical conviction or personal preference?

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    97% of the things that people get upset about are just personal preference things.

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    That's not the way I like things.

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    Well, sometimes it's going to happen.

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    If it's a matter of biblical conviction, we better go after it.

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    If it's a matter of, "Well, that's just not the way I prefer it," then maybe that's not the hill worth dying on.

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    Thirdly, can I give the benefit of the doubt?

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    In other words, okay this decision was made, and I don't like this decision, but is it possible that there are things going on that I don't know about?

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    I've seen it happen in the church, the pastor or the elder that he is superhero one day and super villain the next day, like "Oh Mark, he has such a shepherd's heart, we love him so much and he's such a good preacher and Mark has to get up and say, "Hey, the elders decided this." And they're like, "Mark is a bum!

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    I can't believe him!

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    I knew he was..." Seriously?

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    How did that happen?

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    Can you give the benefit of the doubt?

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    Maybe Mark is getting up because he had a three-hour meeting with the elders and we had to make some tough decisions and he has to announce that.

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    Can you give the benefit of the doubt?

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    The fourth thing you need to say to yourself, "Am I going after peace, or am I stirring up conflict?" "Am I going after peace, or am I stirring up conflict?" Which are you going after?

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    I heard a preacher say one time But you need to imagine everywhere you go, you're carrying two buckets.

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    One bucket is full of water and the other bucket is full of gasoline.

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    And he said, and I'd like to commend this to you, you know when these little embers of conflict start to come - some bickering, some complaining, some criticizing - and you're walking into that, you have a choice in which bucket you're going to throw on that little flame.

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    You see, if you throw the bucket of gasoline, you're just going to make things worse.

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    If you're coming in saying, you know what, I agree with you.

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    I agree, Mark, or it is a bum.

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    I didn't like that decision.

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    Can you believe that decision?

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    Nobody asked me what I thought, I didn't like it.

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    You're throwing the gasoline on the embers.

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    Or, maybe in the midst of that criticism, maybe in the midst of those embers of conflict that are starting, maybe you throw the bucket of water on there.

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    And say, you know what, I wasn't sure about that decision either, but I've known Mark for a while, and I know they've really been talking about this.

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    Maybe there's some stuff we don't know.

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    Maybe there's some stuff going on that we just don't know about.

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    And in doing so, maybe you're eliminating the danger, instead of firing it up.

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    So when these issues come, which bucket are you going to throw?

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    Are you going after peace?

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    Or are you going to stir up more conflict?

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    So, God's word for us today in one statement is just simply this.

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    Peace.

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    Leaders, do your job.

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    Church, love them for it.

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    Will you pray with me?

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    Father in heaven, I thank you for the peace that we've been experiencing in the church.

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    And Father, you know, this church has gone through a season of conflict.

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    And we've seen the way that it gets us off track of doing the mission with excellence.

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    I thank you so much for bringing us through that.

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    And I thank you so much for the peace that we're experiencing now.

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    The unity, the love, the natural evangelism that is happening.

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    Your Word calls us to be at peace among ourselves.

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    So Father, today, especially, I lift up our leadership.

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    I pray that we would be people who are diligent and rightly motivated.

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    We do the jobs that You've called us to with the urgency that it requires.

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    Father, I pray for this church.

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    And I thank You for the respect, for the esteem, for the peace that I have sensed feeling like the church is really behind and praying for the leadership.

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    I pray it would continue.

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    We know, Father, conflict is going to come.

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    We're not naive to think that it shall be this way forever in the life of this church.

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    But I pray that Your Word here is a reminder to the place where we need to get back.

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    Because we're not going to be effective the mission that you've equipped us to fulfill if we're focused on inward fighting.

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    Father, we praise You.

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    We ask moving forward that Your Holy Spirit continue to be manifested in our relationships.

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    The love, the joy, the peace, the patience, the kindness, the goodness, faithfulness, the gentleness, the self-control. It's all about your glory.

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    We pray in Jesus' name, Amen.

Small Group Questions (Whole Group):
Read 1 Thessalonians 5:12-13

  1. Summarize and briefly define the 3 job descriptions of church leaders and the 3 job descriptions of church members that Paul lays out in this passage.
     

  2. Is Paul directing these verses about "living in peace" towards the church leaders or the church members? Why do you think that is?
     

  3. What causes churches to lose the peace? How can your small group help prevent that?

Breakout Questions:

Pray for the leadership of the church, specifically that we would stay on mission.

Be Comforted! - Part 2

Do I Have to Fear God's Judgment?:


  1. Get the FACTS . (1 Thes 5:1-4)


  2. Know the DIFFERENCE . (1 Thes 5:4-10)


  3. Encourage the CHURCH . (1 Thes 5:11)

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    And here's what I want you to do this morning.

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    We never do this, but we're gonna do it this morning.

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    Kind of hold your place there, 1 Thessalonians chapter five.

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    And I want you to flip over to the book of Revelation in chapter 10.

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    I'm gonna show you something before we look at this passage of God's word together.

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    Revelation chapter 10.

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    Now how many people here, by show of hands, everybody participate, how many people here love ice cream?

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    Wow, is there anybody here that doesn't like ice cream?

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    We love ice cream.

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    We're not giving any out today, okay?

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    But let me tell you, I love ice cream.

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    I can sit down and eat a half gallon of ice cream at a time.

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    I love ice cream.

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    Anybody else with me on that?

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    Like, yeah, like I'm not done until the spoon is scraping the bottom of the carton kind of thing, right?

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    I see some people pointing, yeah, yeah.

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    But here's the thing about ice cream.

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    I love it while I'm eating it.

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    And then about an hour later, I am like, why in the world did I eat that?

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    I am so sick.

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    Ice cream gives me a horrible stomach ache.

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    It gives me horrible migraines.

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    And I just feel overall, head to toe, completely miserable an hour after I eat ice cream, which is why I don't eat it that often.

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    I love it, but it makes me a little sick.

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    Like, why are you telling us this?

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    Well, look at Revelation chapter 10.

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    In the book of Revelation, the Lord was revealing to the apostle John the way the end of the world's going to play out when Christ returns, and he's talking about God's judgment's being poured onto the earth.

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    So if you can imagine being John for a second, here's John who hung out with Jesus for his ministry and he had the apostle of love, and now all of a sudden the Lord is revealing to him, here's what judgment is going to look like in the last days.

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    How did John even react to that?

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    But I want you to see Revelation chapter 10, verse eight.

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    John encounters this angel that says, then the voice that I heard from heaven spoke to me again, saying, go take the scroll that is open in the hand of the angel who is standing on the sea and on the land.

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    So I went to the angel and told him, excuse me, to give me the little scroll.

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    And he said to me, take and eat it.

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    It will make your stomach bitter, but in your mouth it will be sweet as honey.

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    And I took the little scroll from the hand of the angel and ate it.

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    It was sweet as honey in my mouth, but when I had eaten it, my stomach was made bitter.

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    And I was told, you must again prophesy about many peoples and nations and languages and kings.

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    And what in the world's going on there?

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    Well, what you see is a very graphic description of the type of reaction that we should have, church, the type of reaction that we should have when we consider God's judgment.

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    And in the passage in 1 Thessalonians we're looking at today, we're going to be talking about God's judgment.

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    And before service, I was talking with Paul and Carrie.

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    I said, yeah, this is the kind of passage I would rather not preach.

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    I would rather avoid this.

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    And Carrie just smiled and said, but that's not what we do.

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    And she's right.

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    We don't skip the parts of the Bible that we're uncomfortable with and we don't like.

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    We preach the Bible verse by verse at Harvest Bible Chapel, but I have to tell you, when we consider God's judgment, it's like the ice cream.

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    Or we can say biblically, it's like the scroll that John ate.

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    Because there's a sense in which it's very sweet, and there's a sense in which it's very bitter.

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    Do you understand that?

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    It's very sweet in the sense, when we consider that Christ is going to return and judge, there's a sweetness because we say, you know what, someday everything's gonna be made right.

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    All of the injustices and all of the hurt and all of the wrong things of the world, all of the horrible, sinful things in the world, Christ is going to come and eliminate that.

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    So that's sweet, right?

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    And there's a sweetness about that.

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    But then when we stop and think, what else that means.

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    That means there are going to be countless people who have rejected the grace of God that are going to be cast into a godless eternity.

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    You see, that's the bitter part.

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    It's like, man, God's judgment is great, but God's judgment, it makes me feel a little squeamish in my stomach when I think that the people that have mocked the Lord are heading to a most horrifying, undescribable existence because they've rejected the grace that God wants to give. We go back to 1st Thessalonians and in chapters 4 and 5, Paul has been talking about death and end time stuff because the Thessalonian church was, they were worried.

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    Like, well, what happens when we die?

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    And you know, Jesus said that he was gonna come back for us and like, when's that gonna be?

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    And how's that gonna, what's gonna happen there?

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    And you know, there's this resurrection thing and when's that gonna happen?

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    And one of the big questions for the Thessalonians was like, what about grandma?

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    Like, grandma died and like, where's she?

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    You know, is she like, you know, sleeping or is she like in hell or like, where's grandma at?

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    And in 1 Thessalonians chapter four, Paul talks about the rapture, the day's coming that Christ is going to take his people out of the world.

    06:14-06:19

    Jesus talked about that in John chapter 14 and 1 Corinthians 15, the apostle Paul talked about that.

    06:23-06:31

    But the next question that we're going to cover today, Paul covers in 1 Thessalonians chapter five, is this question, what about judgment?

    06:32-06:33

    What about judgment?

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    Because the truth is, as much as we enjoy talking about the blessing of salvation and heaven and our eternal destiny, the Bible also teaches that God is a God of judgment.

    06:48-06:49

    So what about that?

    06:50-06:51

    When will that happen?

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    Are we going to be here, is God going to judge me?

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    On your outline, if you're taking notes, first of all, do I have to fear God's judgment?

    07:04-07:06

    Do I have to fear God's judgment?

    07:08-07:14

    I wanna tell you this morning, if you're sitting here, you have not received Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior.

    07:15-07:27

    If you have not received the gift of his grace that he so freely gives, his love for you and his mercy for you, the gift of taking your sin away and pronouncing you not guilty.

    07:28-07:33

    If you haven't received Jesus Christ as your personal Savior, you do.

    07:34-07:36

    have to fear God's judgment.

    07:38-07:42

    But I think the other side of that is what the church misses just as much.

    07:43-07:44

    That's this.

    07:44-07:54

    If you've received Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior, if you've been born again, listen, a lot of people don't believe this, we're going to see it from his word today.

    07:55-07:59

    You never have to fear God's judgment.

    08:00-08:02

    You never have to fear God's judgment.

    08:04-08:04

    Okay?

    08:06-08:08

    A friend of mine put it this way one time.

    08:08-08:09

    He said this and it always stuck with me.

    08:10-08:31

    He said, "If you're a Christian, this life on the earth is the only taste of hell that you will ever have." He said, "But I'm going to tell you, if you're not a Christian, if you haven't received Christ as your Lord and Savior, this life on earth is the only taste of heaven that you're ever going to have." And that's true.

    08:32-08:34

    Now do I have to fear God's judgment?

    08:36-08:38

    If you're a born-again believer, the answer is no.

    08:40-08:44

    And just very simply in your outline, first of all, number one, let's get the facts.

    08:46-08:47

    Let's get the facts.

    08:47-08:49

    Look at verses one through four with me.

    08:50-08:58

    Paul says, "Now concerning the times and the seasons, brothers, you have no need to have anything written to you.

    08:59-09:28

    For you yourselves are fully aware that the day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night, while people are saying, "There is peace and security," then sudden destruction will come upon them, as labor pains come upon a pregnant woman, and they will not escape. Let's stop there for a second, get the facts, jot these things down. First of all, when? That's the first thing Paul talks about.

    09:28-09:59

    We talk about God's judgment when when's God's judgment? We don't know Okay Jesus said he himself didn't know in Mark chapter 13 verse 32 and here the Apostle Paul reminds us that you know Everything that you need to know. Okay, we can sit around, you know for the rest of the week You know, I wonder when it's going to happen I wonder when this I wonder when that and Jesus only response to that was I don't know only the Father knows that okay So that's when.

    10:00-10:01

    Secondly, what.

    10:05-10:10

    Paul says, "For you yourselves are fully aware that the day of the Lord," that phrase, "the day of the Lord," underline that in your Bibles.

    10:11-10:12

    What is the day of the Lord?

    10:13-10:16

    When you see that in your Bible, that is a very specific thing.

    10:19-10:21

    And here's a definition for you.

    10:21-10:23

    I got this from John F. Walvoord.

    10:24-10:25

    I love this definition.

    10:25-10:27

    It's short, it's concise, but it covers it.

    10:28-10:29

    What is the day of the Lord?

    10:29-10:41

    He says, "The day of the Lord is a period of time "in which God will deal with wicked men "directly and dramatically in fearful judgment." I'm gonna read that again.

    10:42-10:43

    What's the day of the Lord?

    10:43-10:54

    It's a period of time in which God will deal with wicked men directly and dramatically in fearful judgment.

    10:55-11:00

    The fear of the Lord, or the, excuse me, the day of the Lord is mentioned four times in the New Testament.

    11:02-11:09

    Acts chapter 2, verse 20, 2 Thessalonians 2, 2, 2 Peter 3, 10, and this passage we're looking at today.

    11:10-11:12

    You're like, well, is it in the Old Testament?

    11:13-11:19

    Yeah, we don't have time to cover the scriptures in the Old Testament that speaks of the day of the Lord.

    11:19-11:27

    You see it all through Isaiah and the book of Joel and the book of Zephaniah over and over and over. God's word tells us about the day of the Lord.

    11:27-11:30

    And here's the thing about the day of the Lord in every reference.

    11:31-11:32

    It's always a negative thing.

    11:33-11:41

    OK, it's not the day of salvation, glorification of saints, handing out rewards. It never speaks of that.

    11:41-11:45

    The day of the Lord is always spoken of in negative terms.

    11:46-11:53

    It's always describing the fury of God being poured out on the people that have rejected his grace.

    11:56-11:57

    Always directed at the wicked.

    11:59-12:00

    That's when and that's what.

    12:01-12:05

    And Paul really spends the section here talking about how.

    12:06-12:07

    Here's the how.

    12:08-12:09

    How will the day of the Lord show up?

    12:09-12:15

    Keep in mind at this point, to give you the context, he just spoke about the rapture in chapter 4.

    12:16-12:17

    So the church isn't in view here.

    12:17-12:18

    We're going to talk about that in a second.

    12:19-12:21

    But how is it going to show up?

    12:22-12:29

    He says, "The day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night." Jesus used that phrase over and over and over in the Gospels.

    12:30-12:32

    John used it in Revelation 16, 15.

    12:33-12:35

    The day of the Lord is like a thief in the night.

    12:36-12:37

    What does that mean?

    12:38-12:40

    Obviously, it means unexpected, right?

    12:40-12:41

    Unexpected.

    12:41-12:49

    If somebody's going to rob your house, they're not going to call you that morning and say, "Hey, are you going to be home at 11 tonight?

    12:49-13:00

    I was thinking about breaking in and helping myself to your stuff as 11 tonight good for you. Well that work obviously Not right Can you come back tomorrow?

    13:01-13:57

    A thief in the night. It's unexpected What's that like well just drop this reference down you can turn to look at it, but Matthew 24 verse 36 Jesus said it was going to be like the days of Noah That was Jesus picture for the end times. He says like the days of Noah over the days of Noah like okay Here are the days of Noah Noah's building an ark in the middle of his yard He's building this enormous boat in the middle of his yard and the Bible says that Noah was a preacher of righteousness Okay, so for like 120 years Noah's building this enormous ship in his yard. It wasn't what you doing Noah That's going to judge the world And your only way of escape is to get on this box with me And he's building this and he's telling people about the Lord and people people laugh people thought he was in it what kind of a moron builds a boat in the middle of their yard and So what were people doing people do what people do?

    13:58-14:14

    you know business as usual while judgment was being proclaimed and then When the rains came the Bible says that God shut the door and it was too late for the people that had mocked before.

    14:14-14:25

    And Jesus said, "That's what today, "the Lord's going to be like." People are gonna go about their business, they're going to think this idea of judgment is funny, it's so stupid, you stupid little Christians, they're gonna mock.

    14:26-14:43

    And the day's gonna come that God's going to shut the door and say, "I gave you opportunity after opportunity "after opportunity, and in the hardness of your heart, "you have chosen to close your ears to the word of God." Eventually, God says, "Your time's up.

    14:45-14:48

    Your time's up." So it's like a thief.

    14:49-14:54

    He says the day of the Lord is also like a pregnant woman.

    14:55-14:56

    You gotta love Paul because he was pretty bold.

    14:57-15:00

    You know, those are two illustrations that really don't have much to do with each other, right?

    15:02-15:04

    Like, it's like a thief and a pregnant woman.

    15:04-15:09

    Like, in what other category could you put those two things together, right?

    15:10-15:13

    I would never tell a pregnant woman that she's like a thief.

    15:15-15:17

    But he says it's like a pregnant woman.

    15:18-15:18

    Why?

    15:18-15:20

    He says the labor pains.

    15:25-15:27

    I'm not going to pretend I know what labor pains are like.

    15:28-15:33

    There are a lot of people in this room that do know what labor pains are like.

    15:34-15:43

    And I can only tell you from second-hand experience and speaking with people that have been through that, this word picture that Paul's giving here.

    15:46-15:57

    With labor pains, the level of frequency increases and the level of intensity increases, right?

    15:58-15:59

    Ladies, am I right on that?

    16:00-16:04

    They get closer together, but they get more intense, right?

    16:04-16:05

    Am I right on that?

    16:05-16:05

    Okay.

    16:08-16:11

    When you read the book of Revelation, that's exactly what happens.

    16:11-16:16

    When God's judging the earth, he starts in judgment being poured out, judgment being poured out.

    16:16-16:21

    You get to the seal judgments, the trumpet judgments, the bowl judgments.

    16:21-16:47

    With all the judgments in Revelation, they get more intense, closer together, more intense, closer together, to the point that when you get to those bowl judgments in Revelation, God is just pelting the earth his judgment back to back, back to back, just annihilating the earth, judging the people that have rejected him, ushering in the new things that Christ has promised.

    16:48-16:55

    The labor pains, they increase in level of frequency, and they increase in the level of intensity.

    16:56-16:58

    There's something else about labor pains.

    16:59-17:03

    Labor pains bring you to an inevitable event, right?

    17:03-17:05

    they bring you to an inevitable event.

    17:07-17:15

    Meaning, when those labor pains are getting more and more and intense, more intense, more intense, that pregnant lady can't say, you know what?

    17:16-17:17

    This is really hurting.

    17:17-17:19

    Can we put this off for a couple months?

    17:21-17:22

    What's the doctor gonna say?

    17:23-17:25

    Doctor's gonna say, that baby's coming, ready or not.

    17:26-17:27

    That baby is coming.

    17:28-17:29

    You know what, I changed my mind.

    17:29-17:31

    There is no changing your mind at this point.

    17:31-17:32

    That baby's coming.

    17:33-17:35

    I decided I didn't want to go through it, but it's too late.

    17:36-17:37

    That's how it is with God's judgment.

    17:37-17:38

    Listen, it's inevitable.

    17:39-17:47

    When God starts pouring his judgment out on the earth, the ultimate fulfillment of that is inevitable.

    17:49-17:51

    Like a pregnant woman giving birth.

    17:54-17:59

    We can read these things, and we can study the book of Revelation, and just try to imagine the horror.

    18:01-18:05

    The question is, well, am I gonna be here for that?

    18:05-18:07

    And you certainly are not.

    18:08-18:11

    Look at the next verse, okay?

    18:12-18:20

    Like, verse three, he says, "They will not escape." You know, there's people running around, there's nothing to worry about, peace, peace, isn't that what he said, right?

    18:20-18:22

    You know, there's peace and security, nobody panic.

    18:23-18:25

    That's what the world's gonna be saying while God's pouring out his judgment.

    18:25-18:28

    Nobody panic, just having a few environmental issues, nobody panic.

    18:30-18:33

    understatement. He says they will not escape.

    18:33-18:35

    Look at verse four. He says, but you.

    18:38-18:44

    Those are like the two biggest words in the passage, he's talking about God's judgment and the wicked are not going to escape.

    18:44-18:48

    And then he says, but you church, but you meaning.

    18:50-18:51

    This doesn't apply to you.

    18:52-18:58

    Look at this, he says, but you are not in darkness, brothers, for that day to surprise you like a thief.

    19:01-19:03

    It's but you versus them in verse 3.

    19:04-19:05

    We are not part of this judgment.

    19:05-19:07

    The day of the Lord is not for you.

    19:07-19:08

    Paul just taught the rapture.

    19:09-19:13

    I know this is a hotly debated subject, but one of the things I'd like to challenge you with is this.

    19:14-19:24

    In the book of Revelation, Revelation chapters 2 and 3, the church, the church, the church, the church, the church, the church, the church, over and over.

    19:24-19:31

    Revelation 2 and 3, it's all about the church, all four to five, a place in heaven.

    19:32-19:38

    And then when God's judgment is being poured out in Revelation six through 19, the church isn't mentioned at all.

    19:40-19:54

    So for the people that believe the church is going to be here to endure the tribulation, my question is why was Jesus like all about stuff for the church in Revelation two and three, and then the church isn't even mentioned in the rest of Revelation two, he gets to chapter 19.

    19:55-19:55

    Where's the church?

    19:56-20:04

    I believe where the church is, what Paul was talking about in first Thessalonians four, as Jesus promised, he was going to come and deliver his people.

    20:08-20:09

    No mention of the church, so get the facts.

    20:09-20:12

    Secondly, know the difference.

    20:13-20:21

    Know the difference, picking up in verse four, he says, he uses a lot of word pictures here, so hang in there with me, okay?

    20:22-20:30

    He says, "But you are not in darkness, brothers, "for that day to surprise you like a thief, for you are all children of light, children of the day.

    20:30-20:32

    We are not of the night or of the darkness.

    20:34-20:41

    Son, let us not sleep as others do, but let us keep awake and be sober.

    20:42-20:47

    For those who sleep, sleep at night, and those who get drunk are drunk at night.

    20:48-21:00

    But since we belong to the day, let us be sober, having put on the breastplate of faith and love, and for a helmet, the hope of salvation.

    21:02-21:15

    To know the difference, and it's obvious in verses four and eight, Paul's giving a list of contrasts, dark, light, sleep, awake, drunk, sober, and it's obvious that he's using these things as symbols.

    21:16-21:20

    So just quickly, if you wanna jot some notes down, we could do like a whole sermon on every one of these.

    21:21-21:24

    That's certainly not Paul's intention here, That's not our intention today.

    21:25-21:27

    We just want to get the gist of what he's saying here.

    21:28-21:31

    He's making a contrast between God's people in the world.

    21:31-21:33

    First of all, darkness and light.

    21:34-21:35

    The Bible speaks of darkness.

    21:38-21:49

    Talking about sin, what did Jesus say to Nicodemus in John, Chapter three, men love the darkness because what their deeds were evil, darkness is associated with sin.

    21:50-21:53

    Light is associated with salvation.

    21:54-22:00

    Jesus said, "I am the light of the world." He is the light that enlightens every man, John chapter one.

    22:04-22:12

    Then Paul here is saying, "You are not night people, "you are day people, church." Secondly, a second contrast here, sleep and awake.

    22:13-22:15

    Sleep and awake, what's the contrast there?

    22:15-22:20

    Contrast there is oblivious versus aware.

    22:21-22:22

    That's the contrast.

    22:23-22:29

    You see, when we talk about God's judgment, as God's people, we are aware.

    22:29-22:31

    We can see the signs.

    22:31-22:31

    Can you see the signs?

    22:32-22:34

    Pick up a newspaper, turn on the news.

    22:34-22:35

    Do you see the signs?

    22:35-22:38

    Do you see the stuff that's happening in the Middle East right now?

    22:38-22:41

    Do you see the stuff that's happening in Israel right now?

    22:41-22:42

    Do you see how?

Small Group Questions (Whole Group):
Read 1 Thessalonians 5:1-11

  1. Do you ever fear God's judgment? Has this passage changed your outlook?
     

  2. What are the differences Paul uses to contrast God's people / the world? Explain what they mean.
     

  3. In verse 11, Paul said this section is to encourage one another. How does this teaching on the Day of the Lord encourage believers? How does it encourage you personally?


Breakout Questions:

Pray for one another


Children's Questions:

  1. Explain to your kids what the "Day of the Lord" means. Why is God going to punish those who have rejected Him?
     

  2. Explain why believers in Jesus should not fear punishment from God. (Hint: God punished Jesus for my sins, so He is not going to punish me, too!)

Questions from the Congregation - Part 3

Questions from the Congregation:

Is it correct to say "Bless the Lord" (per the words to the song)? I thought blessings flowed FROM Him TO us. How do WE bless Him?

Is it biblically permissible for an unbaptized believer to take communion?

When we go to heaven we will all know everyone there, but will we remember our lives on earth? Will a mother remember her children or will a husband remember his wife?
Does it say anywhere in the Bible that you will be reunited with your friends and family when you go to heaven?

What does it mean to "fear" the Lord?

Do we, an extension of HBC, hold James MacDonald on a pedestal? Does our leadership here think he does no wrong and/or do we need to copy everything the way they do it in Illinois? I have a lot of respect for James, please don't misunderstand, but I wonder if we think he is somewhat "perfect"?

How does God view Jews now? If they don't believe Jesus was the Messiah and follow Him, can they get in to heaven? They were God's chosen people in the Old Testament. 
Note: Read Jeff's blog for the answer to this questions that he was unable to get to during this Q&A service.

Sermon Notes (PDF): BLANK

  • Pastor Jeff:

    00:00-00:03

    We'll answer as many as we can in the time that we have.

    Pastor Jeff:

    00:04-00:14

    And any questions that we don't get to, we'll actually put on our website in the form of a blog, just so you don't think that we're avoiding or ducking any questions.

    Pastor Jeff:

    00:14-00:19

    So Mark, as most of you know, he's one of our elders.

    Pastor Jeff:

    00:19-00:23

    But he's also going to be serving as the question asker.

    Pastor Jeff:

    00:23-00:26

    He's going to be representing you today.

    Pastor Jeff:

    00:26-00:32

    So for those of you that submitted questions, Mark is going to be representing you and asking the questions.

    Pastor Jeff:

    00:34-00:35

    So good morning, Mark.

    Mark Ort:

    00:36-00:37

    Good morning, Pastor Jeff, how are you?

    Pastor Jeff:

    00:39-00:40

    Not as good as I'm gonna be.

    Mark Ort:

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    That's right.

    Mark Ort:

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    I'll

    Pastor Jeff:

    00:41-00:43

    tell you that much, but much better than I deserve.

    Mark Ort:

    00:44-00:45

    So are you ready for this?

    Pastor Jeff:

    00:45-00:46

    I am ready.

    Pastor Jeff:

    00:47-00:48

    I am ready for this.

    Mark Ort:

    00:48-00:49

    You've been studying all week and cramming last night?

    Mark Ort:

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    I've been studying

    Pastor Jeff:

    00:50-00:51

    all week, yep.

    Pastor Jeff:

    00:51-00:54

    I've been studying all week and we are ready to go.

    Mark Ort:

    00:55-01:00

    Okay, well, we have a lot of questions to get through, so let's just get started.

    Mark Ort:

    01:00-01:01

    Let's just get started.

    Mark Ort:

    01:02-01:08

    First question, is it correct to say, "Bless the Lord," as in the song?

    Mark Ort:

    01:09-01:11

    I thought blessings flowed from him to us.

    Mark Ort:

    01:12-01:13

    How do we bless him?

    Pastor Jeff:

    01:14-01:15

    That is a really good question.

    Pastor Jeff:

    01:16-01:23

    You know, that's a question that I wonder too, because we use that word bless a lot, but do we really understand what that word means?

    Pastor Jeff:

    01:25-01:31

    You know, every time somebody sneezes, we say, "Bless you!" What does that mean, that we're blessed?

    Pastor Jeff:

    01:31-01:36

    Well, I've got some notes written down here, so I'm going to read some of these things that I have.

    Pastor Jeff:

    01:36-01:48

    When we are blessed, when we talk about being blessed, we understand what that means is we've received some sort of a, for lack of a better expression, we've received a benefit from God.

    Pastor Jeff:

    01:49-01:56

    We could say spiritually, you hear people say, like for example, that worship this morning just blessed me.

    Pastor Jeff:

    01:56-01:57

    What does that mean?

    Pastor Jeff:

    01:57-02:00

    I received a spiritual benefit from that worship.

    Pastor Jeff:

    02:00-02:02

    We talk about it physically, right?

    Pastor Jeff:

    02:04-02:09

    We've been praying for somebody who is sick and we find out that they've been getting better and oh, you know what?

    Pastor Jeff:

    02:09-02:11

    We've been so blessed and he's feeling better.

    Pastor Jeff:

    02:11-02:13

    There's a benefit there.

    Pastor Jeff:

    02:13-02:14

    We pray for it for provision.

    Pastor Jeff:

    02:15-02:24

    Like you could say, well, We were in need of transportation and the Lord blessed us with a car.

    Pastor Jeff:

    02:25-02:27

    So we talk about blessings a lot.

    Pastor Jeff:

    02:28-02:33

    Jesus talked about blessings in the Beatitudes, Matthew chapter five.

    Pastor Jeff:

    02:33-02:37

    You know, the Beatitudes, blessed are the poor in spirit, blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness.

    Pastor Jeff:

    02:39-02:47

    And the best definition I can give you of what it means to be blessed from a human standpoint is to be happy or successful.

    Pastor Jeff:

    02:49-02:54

    Meaning, because of Christ, you are blessed, you are spiritually successful.

    Pastor Jeff:

    02:54-03:07

    And the Bible actually says in Ephesians 1.3, and this is one of those mind-blowing verses, but in Ephesians 1.3, it says that we have every spiritual blessing in Christ.

    Pastor Jeff:

    03:07-03:08

    Didn't somebody just preach on that at our church recently?

    Pastor Jeff:

    03:08-03:09

    Yeah, I heard

    Mark Ort:

    03:09-03:10

    that recently.

    Pastor Jeff:

    03:10-03:13

    Yeah, it seems to me that we had this guy at our church preach that recently.

    Pastor Jeff:

    03:13-03:19

    And when you think about that, It's not like we have to get something from God.

    Pastor Jeff:

    03:19-03:22

    If you've received Christ, you have it all.

    Pastor Jeff:

    03:22-03:25

    He's given you all of the spiritual blessings in Christ.

    Pastor Jeff:

    03:27-03:41

    I compare it to, if you bought a gold mine, you're in possession of the mine, but what you do in working is getting in there and digging out the gold that's already in the mine.

    Pastor Jeff:

    03:41-03:44

    You see, God gives us Christ and He's like the gold mine.

    Pastor Jeff:

    03:45-03:51

    In the Christian life, our growth in Christ is digging out that gold that He already has provided for us.

    Pastor Jeff:

    03:51-03:53

    That's what it means to grow in Christ.

    Pastor Jeff:

    03:54-03:58

    So that's what it means from a human perspective to be blessed.

    Pastor Jeff:

    03:58-04:00

    But here's the thing, that wasn't the question.

    Pastor Jeff:

    04:01-04:05

    I'm not going to be a politician here, I just completely answered a question that wasn't asked.

    Pastor Jeff:

    04:05-04:06

    I am not going to do that.

    Pastor Jeff:

    04:07-04:09

    In my campaign, I'm not running for anything.

    Pastor Jeff:

    04:11-04:16

    I thought for sure somebody would say amen on that, but maybe they want me to run for something, Mark.

    Mark Ort:

    04:17-04:19

    I'm gonna write you in for president this year.

    Pastor Jeff:

    04:19-04:19

    (laughing)

    Pastor Jeff:

    04:20-04:21

    I don't know if I'd want that job.

    Pastor Jeff:

    04:22-04:25

    But here's the thing, we can't benefit God.

    Pastor Jeff:

    04:26-04:33

    When we talk about we're blessed, we have quote unquote spiritual benefits, spiritual success, we can't benefit God.

    Pastor Jeff:

    04:34-04:39

    There's nothing that we can do to God that's going to make him better, that's going to make him more God.

    Pastor Jeff:

    04:39-04:45

    He's God, He's infinite, He's awesome, whether I worship Him or not, whether this church meets or not.

    Pastor Jeff:

    04:45-04:47

    We can't add to His greatness.

    Pastor Jeff:

    04:48-04:52

    So what does it mean when we bless God?

    Pastor Jeff:

    04:52-04:53

    That actually is in the Bible.

    Pastor Jeff:

    04:54-05:03

    What it means is this, we are praising Him for being the ultimate blessed one and the giver of blessings.

    Pastor Jeff:

    05:04-05:06

    I'm going to read a couple of verses, I did some cross-referencing here.

    Pastor Jeff:

    05:07-05:09

    When we bless God, what does that mean?

    Pastor Jeff:

    05:11-05:19

    Well, when you read the verses, I think it's pretty obvious some synonyms that you can use for blessing.

    Pastor Jeff:

    05:20-05:22

    Oftentimes specifically it means to thank God.

    Pastor Jeff:

    05:23-05:36

    Like for example, Deuteronomy 8.10 says, "And you shall eat and be full, and you shall bless the Lord your God for the good land He has given you." You can substitute the word thank in there and it means the same thing.

    Pastor Jeff:

    05:37-05:42

    Psalm 100 verse four, "Give thanks to him, bless his name." It's the same thing.

    Pastor Jeff:

    05:43-05:54

    "All your works," Psalm 145 verse 10, "All your works shall give thanks to you, O Lord, and all your saints shall bless you." Again, thanks and blessings, same verse.

    Pastor Jeff:

    05:55-06:04

    Psalm 103 verse two, "Bless the Lord, O my soul, and forget not all his benefits." In any of those verses, and there's many, many, many more, couldn't you just substitute the word thanks?

    Pastor Jeff:

    06:05-06:06

    it really means about the same thing.

    Pastor Jeff:

    06:07-06:10

    But this is a really interesting verse I wanted to share with you.

    Pastor Jeff:

    06:10-06:18

    1 Chronicles 29 10, it says, "Therefore David blessed the Lord "in the presence of all the assembly.

    Pastor Jeff:

    06:18-06:31

    "And David said," listen to this, "Blessed are you, O Lord, the God of Israel, "our Father forever and ever." And it's clear that David was calling God blessed.

    Pastor Jeff:

    06:31-06:34

    You know, he wasn't trying to give God something.

    Pastor Jeff:

    06:34-06:37

    he was acknowledging something that God already had.

    Pastor Jeff:

    06:37-06:46

    So long story short, when we talk about blessing the Lord, really all that means is to praise and to thank the Lord.

    Pastor Jeff:

    06:46-06:50

    You could put praise and thanks in any of those verses and it means the same thing.

    Mark Ort:

    06:51-06:52

    Yeah, heaping praise on him.

    Mark Ort:

    06:53-07:01

    I was thinking about that Ephesians 1 passage where God is heaping benefits on us, he's heaping blessings upon us.

    Mark Ort:

    07:02-07:08

    And similarly, I guess, David in this passage, it's such a great passage.

    Mark Ort:

    07:09-07:11

    He's just heaping praise back on the God.

    Mark Ort:

    07:11-07:14

    It's mountains of praise back on the God.

    Mark Ort:

    07:14-07:14

    Absolutely,

    Pastor Jeff:

    07:14-07:16

    that's what it is to bless the Lord.

    Pastor Jeff:

    07:17-07:21

    We've received his blessing and it's our way of acknowledging that.

    Pastor Jeff:

    07:21-07:24

    This blessing, everything that I have comes from you, God.

    Pastor Jeff:

    07:24-07:28

    You're the ultimate blesser because you're the ultimate blessed one.

    Pastor Jeff:

    07:29-07:31

    So yeah, praise and thanks.

    Mark Ort:

    07:32-07:39

    Very good. Second question. Is it biblically permissible for an unbaptized believer to take communion?

    Pastor Jeff:

    07:40-07:47

    That is a really good question. My answer to that is, baptism is not a prerequisite for communion.

    Pastor Jeff:

    07:47-08:38

    Faith in Jesus Christ is. You know, we have communion at Harvard's Bible Chapel. It's not, you know, make sure that you were baptized in order to take communion. We always encourage people, if you're a born-again believer in Jesus Christ, He invites you to receive communion. Baptism is, I want to remind, it's the visible God-chosen, God-commanded response to our faith. Baptism is an outward demonstration of what Christ has done inwardly. Just as spiritually we have identified with Christ's death, burial, and resurrection, Romans chapter 6, baptism is the demonstration of that, the outward. And I like to compare baptism to a wedding. You know, when two people fall in love, they typically make that public commitment before God and before people at a wedding.

    Pastor Jeff:

    08:39-09:01

    Now, they don't fall in love at the wedding. You know, the wedding is their public proclamation to each other. And that's how it is with baptism. You don't fall in love with Christ or you don't get saved at the baptism. Baptism is your public profession of faith before God and man, I'm identifying with the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus Christ.

    Pastor Jeff:

    09:01-09:05

    So it doesn't save you, but it is the profession of faith.

    Mark Ort:

    09:06-09:37

    I think people can get confused as a new believer if somebody's telling you, "Well, you cannot have communion unless you're baptized," because that might lead them to think that, "Oh, baptism saves me because Christians are to take communion." How would you respond to somebody that might say something like, "You're being disobedient by neglecting baptism or refusing to be baptized, so you're being disobedient, so you can't take communion." How do you respond to that?

    Pastor Jeff:

    09:38-09:41

    That is a good question, and the Bible addresses that, actually.

    Pastor Jeff:

    09:41-09:58

    In 1 Corinthians 11, it says, "Whoever therefore eats the bread and drinks the cup"—you know, receives communion — drinks the cup of the Lord, he says, in an unworthy manner, will be guilty of profaning the body and blood of the Lord.

    Pastor Jeff:

    10:00-10:07

    Verse 26 says, I'm sorry, verse 28 says, "Let a person examine himself then, and so eat of the bread and drink of the cup.

    Pastor Jeff:

    10:08-10:17

    For anyone who eats and drinks without discerning the body, eats and drinks judgment on himself, that is why many of you are weak and ill, and some have died.

    Pastor Jeff:

    10:18-10:21

    But if we judge ourselves truly, we would not be judged.

    Pastor Jeff:

    10:22-10:26

    But when we are judged by the Lord, we are disciplined that we may not be condemned along with the world.

    Pastor Jeff:

    10:27-10:36

    In the Corinthian church, Paul said that some of them were getting sick and actually dying because they were receiving communion in what he called an unworthy manner.

    Pastor Jeff:

    10:37-10:44

    And I think it's really important to highlight here that the remedy for that, he says to examine yourself.

    Pastor Jeff:

    10:44-10:53

    I think there's a huge danger when the church gets in that position, that I say, "Here's my rules for you to take communion." The Bible doesn't say that the church imposes the rules.

    Pastor Jeff:

    10:54-10:55

    Who does the examination?

    Pastor Jeff:

    10:56-10:57

    The Bible says you have to examine yourself.

    Pastor Jeff:

    10:58-11:00

    You have to, and that's true for everybody here.

    Pastor Jeff:

    11:00-11:03

    I need to examine myself, you need to examine yourself.

    Pastor Jeff:

    11:03-11:06

    So in light of this baptism thing, I would just give this caution.

    Pastor Jeff:

    11:07-11:17

    If the reason you haven't been baptized yet is because, you know, I've been meaning to, I haven't had opportunity, I really want to, but it just hasn't worked out to do it.

    Pastor Jeff:

    11:17-11:18

    That's one thing.

    Pastor Jeff:

    11:18-11:28

    But if you haven't been baptized because of some rebellious attitude, like, "Well, I know the Bible says that I should do this in response to my faith in Christ.

    Pastor Jeff:

    11:28-11:35

    I know the Bible says that God calls me to this, but I'm not going to do it." I would tell that person they really need to examine themselves.

    Pastor Jeff:

    11:35-11:41

    Maybe they do have a rebellious thing that they need to do business with with the Lord before they receive communion.

    Mark Ort:

    11:42-11:44

    We certainly encourage baptism here.

    Pastor Jeff:

    11:44-11:44

    Yeah.

    Mark Ort:

    11:44-11:45

    It's a beautiful thing.

    Mark Ort:

    11:45-11:47

    It represents new life.

    Pastor Jeff:

    11:47-11:47

    Amen.

    Mark Ort:

    11:48-11:49

    It's a beautiful thing.

    Pastor Jeff:

    11:49-11:52

    Our next baptism service, by the way, is October 17th.

    Pastor Jeff:

    11:53-12:02

    You're gonna be getting more information about that, but no, I don't think it's the church's job to give the rules for here's who can and who can't take.

    Pastor Jeff:

    12:02-12:04

    The Bible puts that burden on the people.

    Pastor Jeff:

    12:05-12:06

    You examine yourself.

    Mark Ort:

    12:07-12:08

    Okay, ready for another one?

    Pastor Jeff:

    12:08-12:09

    I'm ready for another one.

    Mark Ort:

    12:09-12:10

    Yeah, this is a good one.

    Mark Ort:

    12:11-12:18

    When we go to heaven, will we all know everyone there, but will we remember our lives on earth?

    Mark Ort:

    12:19-12:22

    Will a mother remember her children or will a husband remember his wife?

    Mark Ort:

    12:23-12:29

    Does it say anywhere in the Bible that you will be reunited with your friends and family when you go to heaven?

    Pastor Jeff:

    12:30-12:32

    If you have your Bible, I want you to turn to a couple passages here.

    Pastor Jeff:

    12:33-12:37

    We get asked this question a lot and excellent question.

    Pastor Jeff:

    12:38-12:40

    This is actually two questions, I combined them.

    Pastor Jeff:

    12:40-12:44

    Two different people ask questions and it all kind of falls together.

    Pastor Jeff:

    12:45-12:52

    But I was trying to think of verses that talk about, first of all, let's address, do we remember life on the earth?

    Pastor Jeff:

    12:53-12:59

    One verse that gives us some insight that leads me to believe that there is some, there has to be some memory of life on earth.

    Pastor Jeff:

    13:00-13:11

    In Revelation 6.10, this is talking about martyrs who have been slain for their faith in heaven crying out to God.

    Pastor Jeff:

    13:12-13:24

    And it says, Revelation 6.10, they cried out with a loud voice, oh sovereign Lord, holy and true, how long before you will judge and avenge our blood on those who dwell on the earth?

    Pastor Jeff:

    13:25-13:28

    That tells me that they knew how they died.

    Pastor Jeff:

    13:28-13:33

    You know, it wasn't like they got to heaven and they completely had no idea of their life on the earth.

    Pastor Jeff:

    13:33-13:42

    This tells me, like God, we trusted you, we were killed for it, we know that you're going to avenge, but the question is how long until you do that?

    Pastor Jeff:

    13:43-13:45

    That tells you that there's some memory of life on earth.

    Pastor Jeff:

    13:45-13:52

    And when Jesus told the story, also in Luke chapter 16, turn to Luke 16, 'cause we're gonna reference this a couple times here.

    Pastor Jeff:

    13:53-14:05

    But when Jesus told the story of the rich man and Lazarus, you remember the rich man was suffering apart from the presence of God in Hades, or what we would call hell.

    Pastor Jeff:

    14:07-14:10

    And his concern was that he had some brothers.

    Pastor Jeff:

    14:10-14:14

    So he had that memory of life on earth.

    Pastor Jeff:

    14:14-14:22

    It wasn't like he passed into the afterlife and he completely lost total memory of what life was like on the earth.

    Pastor Jeff:

    14:24-14:28

    So I do believe that we remember lives on earth.

    Pastor Jeff:

    14:29-14:34

    And that often leads to the question, well, that's gonna make me sad because I made a lot of mistakes.

    Pastor Jeff:

    14:34-14:35

    I hurt some people and I sinned.

    Pastor Jeff:

    14:37-14:39

    Christ washes all that away.

    Pastor Jeff:

    14:39-14:40

    He takes it away.

    Pastor Jeff:

    14:41-15:06

    So all the regrets and stupid, rebellious, sinful, disappointing, hurtful things that I've done to myself and to other people, covered under the blood of Christ, taken away by the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world, I don't think we're going to be sitting in heaven for eternity mourning our stupidity, you know, our sinfulness.

    Pastor Jeff:

    15:07-15:33

    So Luke chapter 16 concerning are we going to recognize people in heaven? I believe without a shadow of a doubt that we will recognize people in heaven. I'm going to share something with you. I've never heard anybody preach or teach on this and for some of you this might sound really like a crazy concept, but I want you to bear with me here.

    Pastor Jeff:

    15:34-17:46

    I believe that in heaven you are going to have what I call, like I said, I've never heard this taught before, so I kind of made this term up. I believe you're going to have what's called supernatural recognition. I believe in heaven you're going to literally know everyone. And you're like, "Well, that's a bold claim, can you support that scripturally? Well, yeah. That's actually where I got the idea. Look at Luke chapter 16. Jesus tells the parable of the dishonest manager. That's a whole other teaching for another time. But the gist of it is, Jesus said we should use our wealth on the earth to win people for the kingdom. Okay? And I want us to look, Oh gosh, what verse is it? Here it is, verse 9. Jesus driving the point home of the parable. Listen to what he says, "And I tell you, make friends for yourselves by means of unrighteous wealth, so when it fails, they may receive you into eternal dwellings." That there are people that are going to recognize you when you get into heaven because you supported mission and evangelism work with the stuff that God untrusted to you. You know, there are people that they're just automatically going to recognize you. And another verse that leads me to believe this supernatural recognition happens when we die, go to heaven. Remember we were in Mark chapter 9 and verses 4 through 5, the Bible says that Jesus was transfigured. You remember that story? Jesus took Peter, James, and John up and Jesus was transfigured and do you remember who showed up at the transfiguration? Shout it out if you know. Five bonus points. Who showed up? Moses did and who else? Elijah. Okay? Moses and Elijah showed up at the transfiguration and do you remember what Peter said? Peter's like, "Hey, let's build a tent. Like, let's build three tents and have one for Jesus and have Well, one for Moses and one for Elijah.

    Pastor Jeff:

    17:46-17:53

    But when you read that passage, Peter instantly recognized Moses and Elijah.

    Pastor Jeff:

    17:53-17:56

    And my question is, how did he know who they were?

    Pastor Jeff:

    17:57-18:03

    I don't think that they showed up with a big name tag that said, "Hi, my name is Moses." I don't think that's true.

    Pastor Jeff:

    18:03-18:07

    Or, you know, Elijah had his name tag on or a big button.

    Pastor Jeff:

    18:07-18:09

    Yeah, I don't think that they had those on.

    Pastor Jeff:

    18:09-18:23

    I think, and there's other passages we could turn to, I believe when we get to heaven, I believe that we're going to supernaturally, instantly know everybody in the same way that Peter immediately recognized Moses and Elijah.

    Pastor Jeff:

    18:24-18:33

    In the same way that people that you used your money to win to Christ through evangelism, through missions, whatever, when you get to heaven, they're going to know that's you.

    Pastor Jeff:

    18:33-18:42

    You gave to that ministry that reached out to me and I received Christ and I wanted to be the first person to welcome you into heaven according to what Jesus said in Luke 16.

    Pastor Jeff:

    18:43-18:56

    So concerning being reunited with people, when Jesus in Mark chapter 12 was asked about marriage, do you remember He said that there is no marriage in heaven?

    Pastor Jeff:

    18:57-19:10

    On this earth we kind of live under a different set of circumstances that we are called to marriage, procreation, fill the earth.

    Pastor Jeff:

    19:11-19:12

    That doesn't happen in heaven.

    Pastor Jeff:

    19:12-19:17

    Jesus said that we are like the angels, we are not sexual beings in heaven.

    Pastor Jeff:

    19:17-19:20

    And people are like, "Well man, that's kind of a bummer.

    Pastor Jeff:

    19:20-19:28

    Does that mean I'm not going to have my wife in heaven?" I believe that your relationship with your spouse is going to be even greater in heaven.

    Pastor Jeff:

    19:29-19:41

    You know, it's not going to be a sexual relationship, but it's going to be this perfect, free from the presence of sin relationship that's unlike anything that we can understand on the earth.

    Pastor Jeff:

    19:41-19:52

    So I believe that your relationship with everybody is going to be perfect at 100%, including your spouse and your family, who I believe you absolutely will recognize.

    Mark Ort:

    19:53-19:54

    A lot of interesting questions about heaven.

    Mark Ort:

    19:55-19:57

    This is probably a good place for me to make a book recommendation.

    Mark Ort:

    19:57-19:58

    Can I do that?

    Pastor Jeff:

    19:58-19:58

    Yeah, absolutely.

    Mark Ort:

    19:59-20:01

    A few years ago I read this book by Randy Alcorn.

    Mark Ort:

    20:01-20:03

    You maybe can write this down.

    Mark Ort:

    20:03-20:12

    It's just called "Heaven." There's a lot of movies out, a lot of people that have claimed to go to heaven and come back.

    Mark Ort:

    20:13-20:23

    I'm not going to dispute those or what experience they had or anything like that, but we can know about heaven from the scriptures.

    Mark Ort:

    20:23-20:25

    Everything we need to know about heaven is in the scriptures.

    Mark Ort:

    20:26-20:29

    Randy Alcorn does a really nice job in this book.

    Mark Ort:

    20:29-20:32

    This is one of the most encouraging books that I've ever read.

    Mark Ort:

    20:34-20:44

    He answers a whole bunch of questions like what we just talked about directly from scripture or based on things that he knows about the character of God?

    Mark Ort:

    20:44-20:49

    And you may have asked the question, "Is my dog going to go to heaven?

    Mark Ort:

    20:50-20:54

    Well, I see my dog in heaven." And he answers questions like that in there.

    Mark Ort:

    20:54-21:03

    There's no chapter or verse that says, "Yes, dogs go to heaven." But he bases his answer on the character of God.

    Mark Ort:

    21:05-21:12

    He does a study on the character of God, and would God create something just to send it into the ground?

    Pastor Jeff:

    21:13-21:16

    The answer is yes, dogs do go to heaven, but not cats.

    Mark Ort:

    21:16-21:17

    I agree with that.

    Pastor Jeff:

    21:18-21:19

    That's pretty clear.

    Pastor Jeff:

    21:19-21:23

    I can't point you to a book chapter and verse on that, but I'm just...

    Pastor Jeff:

    21:23-21:25

    just call it a really strong gut feeling.

    Pastor Jeff:

    21:26-21:26

    But

    Mark Ort:

    21:26-21:29

    anyway, take a look at this book.

    Mark Ort:

    21:29-21:33

    It's about 500 pages long and you won't be able to put it down. It's that good.

    Mark Ort:

    21:34-21:35

    Okay, do we have time for some more?

    Pastor Jeff:

    21:35-21:35

    Yeah.

    Mark Ort:

    21:37-21:40

    Okay, really good question again. What does it mean to fear the Lord?

    Pastor Jeff:

    21:41-21:47

    That is a great question. Fearing the Lord does not mean that you're scared of God.

    Pastor Jeff:

    21:47-22:10

    It doesn't mean like I hide under the bed because I'm afraid God's going to get mad at me and hit me with a bolt of lightning. Fear of the Lord just means reverence or respect. You know, look through Proverbs 1.7 says, "The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom." Proverbs 8.13 says, "The fear of the Lord is the hatred of evil." Fear of the Lord, Proverbs 14.26, gives us strong confidence.

    Pastor Jeff:

    22:11-22:27

    The fear of the Lord is, Proverbs 14.27, "a fountain of life." Proverbs 19.23 says, "The fear of the Lord leads to life." And we could go on and on and on, but fear of the Lord is just reverence for God.

    Pastor Jeff:

    22:28-22:30

    And you know, we say something here a lot of times.

    Pastor Jeff:

    22:32-22:40

    We say, "He is God and I am not." And the fear of the Lord is fully embracing that.

    Pastor Jeff:

    22:41-22:43

    That He is God and I am not.

    Mark Ort:

    22:43-22:50

    One thing I've studied recently in the Word is how the Word produces certain effects in our lives.

    Mark Ort:

    22:51-22:54

    And one of the things that reading the Word does is produces reverence.

    Mark Ort:

    22:54-23:14

    And there's a passage in Psalm 119.38 that says, "Establish thy word to thy servant as that which produces reverence for thee." And it's this state of awe when you evaluate who you are and evaluate the greatness of God, and you just stand there and you're in awe.

    Pastor Jeff:

    23:15-23:16

    Amen. Amen.

    Pastor Jeff:

    23:17-23:18

    He is God and I am not.

    Mark Ort:

    23:19-23:40

    Another question, "Do we - an extension of Harvest Bible Chapel - McDonald on a pedestal. Does our leadership here think he does no wrong and /or do we need to copy everything that they do in Illinois? I have a lot of respect for James. Please don't misunderstand, but I wonder if we think he is somewhat perfect.

    Pastor Jeff:

    23:41-23:49

    Not at all. We have a lot of respect for James, friendship with him, but by no means do we we think he's perfect.

    Pastor Jeff:

    23:49-23:53

    In fact, he'll be the first person to tell you that he's not.

    Pastor Jeff:

    23:54-24:05

    Even talking with our leadership here, whether it's publicly in our meetings, how much do we even talk about James or Illinois or what's happening out of what we call the mothership?

    Pastor Jeff:

    24:05-24:07

    How much does that even happen?

    Pastor Jeff:

    24:08-24:12

    I mentioned James this morning talking about Harvest University.

    Pastor Jeff:

    24:13-24:26

    But before that, when was the last time I've even mentioned his name. I can't even remember, honestly. So whether it's in church or in meetings.

    Pastor Jeff:

    24:28-24:30

    It does pop up occasionally.

    Mark Ort:

    24:30-24:30

    I mean we have books

    Pastor Jeff:

    24:30-24:31

    out

    Mark Ort:

    24:31-24:34

    there and we listen to them on the radio.

    Pastor Jeff:

    24:34-24:53

    And sometimes it's the way when you meet people, they're like, "How did you hear about our church? Why listen to James McDonald?" So a lot of times you will ask people, "Have you ever heard of James McDonald?" or walk in the Word. But something that I've thought was actually kind of funny, was the people that we've met that have been here, like, oh, we're connected with James McDonald, and they're like, who's that?

    Pastor Jeff:

    24:53-24:54

    Like, you've never heard of James McDonald?

    Pastor Jeff:

    24:55-24:57

    They're like, no, I've never heard of him.

    Pastor Jeff:

    24:57-25:01

    So don't get me wrong, I love James.

    Pastor Jeff:

    25:01-25:04

    He has been a huge encouragement to me.

    Pastor Jeff:

    25:05-25:05

    He's been a friend.

    Pastor Jeff:

    25:06-25:15

    He's invested so much in me, but he'll be the first person to tell you that with his church plans, He doesn't want this to be the James McDonald show.

    Pastor Jeff:

    25:16-25:23

    He wants each church plant to be the local, self-governing, autonomous, independent church.

    Pastor Jeff:

    25:25-25:29

    And at our church here, for example, we have three elders and myself.

    Pastor Jeff:

    25:30-25:37

    And the decisions and the direction and the doctrine and everything that drives the ministry here all comes internally.

    Pastor Jeff:

    25:37-25:41

    We don't get marching orders from Chicago, like here's how you have to do it.

    Pastor Jeff:

    25:41-25:43

    Everything is in house here.

    Pastor Jeff:

    25:43-25:45

    And that's how he wants it.

    Pastor Jeff:

    25:45-25:51

    Our fellowship isn't like a relationship of mandate.

    Pastor Jeff:

    25:51-25:53

    It's a relationship of influence.

    Pastor Jeff:

    25:53-26:07

    So I just remind 1 Corinthians 11, 1, the apostle Paul says, "Follow me as I follow Christ." And I would say in that same sense, James has been a godly example.

    Pastor Jeff:

    26:07-26:18

    And like Paul encouraged the Corinthians, we should follow the leaders in the way that they follow Christ, in the way that they model being disciples of Christ.

    Pastor Jeff:

    26:19-26:29

    But that's different than worshiping, thinking he's perfect, thinking he's infallible.

    Pastor Jeff:

    26:31-26:32

    No, we don't think that at all.

    Pastor Jeff:

    26:33-26:46

    He's been a great pastor of our fellowship and I love him to death, but you know, this is an independent church as far as direction and doctrine and things like that.

    Mark Ort:

    26:46-26:51

    And we would say as James is following Christ, follow James.

    Mark Ort:

    26:51-26:54

    If John MacArthur is following Christ, follow John MacArthur.

    Mark Ort:

    26:54-26:57

    If Jeff Miller is following Christ, we follow.

    Mark Ort:

    26:58-27:05

    I thought about the churches back in the Bible times like Ephesus and Thessalonica and Corinthians.

    Mark Ort:

    27:06-27:07

    I imagine they talked about Paul a lot.

    Mark Ort:

    27:08-27:08

    Yeah.

    Mark Ort:

    27:08-27:11

    Whenever Paul was coming into town, hey, Paul's coming.

    Mark Ort:

    27:11-27:16

    Remember Paul from a few years ago and Ephesus said, "Paul's coming."

    Pastor Jeff:

    27:16-27:16

    Yeah.

    Pastor Jeff:

    27:17-27:19

    And the Bible says to give honor to him honor is due.

    Pastor Jeff:

    27:19-27:25

    So I think there's a right way that we can rightly honor and appreciate James for everything that he's done.

    Pastor Jeff:

    27:26-27:31

    He's the head of this fellowship of 120 churches worldwide.

    Pastor Jeff:

    27:31-27:33

    Much respect given for that.

    Pastor Jeff:

    27:33-27:49

    but as far as worship, as far as thinking he's perfect, I mean, I - Put him on a pedestal. - Put him on a pedestal. I don't see that at all amongst our leadership and the other harvest plants that I know. I don't see that. I just see respect.

    Pastor Jeff:

    27:50-27:51

    Okay, good.

    Pastor Jeff:

    27:52-27:54

    Ready for another one? - Yeah, go. Actually, wait, wait, wait.

    Pastor Jeff:

    27:55-28:00

    It's a little lopsided here because you're asking all the questions. Don't you think I should be able to ask a question?

    Pastor Jeff:

    28:01-28:03

    All right, I got a question for you.

    Pastor Jeff:

    28:04-28:04

    How was Romania?

    Mark Ort:

    28:06-28:06

    Romania?

    Pastor Jeff:

    28:06-28:06

    Romania.

    Pastor Jeff:

    28:06-28:07

    How was it, man?

    Mark Ort:

    28:07-28:09

    I thought you would never ask.

    Mark Ort:

    28:11-28:12

    Romania was amazing.

    Mark Ort:

    28:12-28:13

    It was amazing.

    Mark Ort:

    28:13-28:18

    And if you were on the Romania team, you can come on up and stand up here.

    Pastor Jeff:

    28:18-28:19

    Yeah, bring your team up.

    Pastor Jeff:

    28:19-28:20

    I wanna-- - Yeah,

    Mark Ort:

    28:20-28:21

    let's bring the team up.

    Pastor Jeff:

    28:21-28:22

    I'm gonna sit down here.

    Pastor Jeff:

    28:22-28:23

    I wanna hear this.

    Mark Ort:

    28:32-28:48

    We had a great, great time in Romania doing a building project and Greg Hederman, Jack Ort, my son, Evan Gates, Darla Berry, and Mike Gates.

    Mark Ort:

    28:48-28:50

    We had the team that God wanted there.

    Mark Ort:

    28:52-28:55

    I brought a couple slides with me to show you.

    Mark Ort:

    28:56-29:04

    When I first heard about Romania and this trip that we were going to go on, to be honest with you, I didn't know exactly where Romania was on the map.

    Mark Ort:

    29:05-29:10

    And so I made a map of Eastern Europe, and I think we have that.

    Mark Ort:

    29:11-29:17

    And you can see Romania is to the right of Hungary, and you see Moldova.

    Mark Ort:

    29:17-29:25

    Adarla went to Moldova last year, and it's in Eastern Europe, and it's a beautiful country.

    Mark Ort:

    29:25-29:30

    It's a beautiful country with beautiful people, and there's a lot of history there.

    Mark Ort:

    29:30-29:37

    It's a storied country as far as struggles and wars and communism and things like that.

    Mark Ort:

    29:37-29:39

    A lot of battles fought there.

    Mark Ort:

    29:39-29:43

    And in 1989, they had their communist revolution.

    Mark Ort:

    29:45-29:50

    And we took some tours of the streets, and you can still see bullet holes in some of the buildings.

    Mark Ort:

    29:51-29:56

    And really, really gripping tales of the struggle for freedom there.

    Mark Ort:

    29:57-30:16

    And a lot of the people are still, I get the impression from our talks with different people that were alive at the time or kids growing up with parents who went through that, that big struggle, that they're still struggling with sort of a, "Who am I?

    Mark Ort:

    30:16-30:20

    What's my identity?" Kind of like an identity type of thing.

    Mark Ort:

    30:20-30:26

    And you'll see a lot of people there that drive really, really nice cars and they're dressed to the nines.

    Mark Ort:

    30:26-30:29

    I mean, just really dressed nice in the city.

    Mark Ort:

    30:29-30:38

    And a couple of days into the trip, one of our leaders, our host over there, told us why that is.

    Mark Ort:

    30:38-30:39

    They're looking for status.

    Mark Ort:

    30:40-30:42

    They have the ability to purchase things now.

    Mark Ort:

    30:42-30:43

    They have purchasing power.

    Mark Ort:

    30:43-30:51

    And so they're trying to fill a void with things like really nice cars, really nice clothes.

    Mark Ort:

    30:52-30:56

    Sounds a lot like what we've done here, going into debt.

    Mark Ort:

    30:56-30:58

    If they want to get a nice car, they'll go into debt to get it.

    Mark Ort:

    30:59-31:02

    If they need some nice clothes, they'll do whatever it takes to get them.

    Mark Ort:

    31:02-31:03

    That was in the city.

    Mark Ort:

    31:03-31:11

    And as we went to the outer part of the country, we did see some very poor areas and people that weren't dressed so nice, I guess.

    Mark Ort:

    31:14-31:17

    And they're still struggling with who they are.

    Mark Ort:

    31:18-31:26

    Our mission was to go to Arad, which is the-- I believe it's the third largest city.

    Mark Ort:

    31:26-31:30

    It's not the capital, but you can see I have an arrow pointed to where we were.

    Mark Ort:

    31:30-31:32

    It's about 20 miles off the Hungarian border.

    Mark Ort:

    31:33-31:43

    And it's a beautiful city, old architecture that the designer of Vienna, Austria, designed a lot of buildings here and in some other cities in that area.

    Mark Ort:

    31:44-31:49

    And our job was to go there and help them build a pastor's training center.

    Mark Ort:

    31:51-31:58

    And I have another slide for what's going to happen with this pastor's training center, the influence that they're trying to accomplish.

    Mark Ort:

    32:00-32:07

    They want to have pastors come into this training center and be trained so that they can plant churches in that area there.

    Mark Ort:

    32:07-32:11

    Now, it might expand more than that, but they want to plant churches in Moldova.

    Mark Ort:

    32:11-32:17

    They want to plant churches in Romania and Hungary and that whole Eastern European area.

    Mark Ort:

    32:18-32:29

    And I noticed that the people, when we would walk through the streets, although they were dressed really nice and they drove nice cars, they kind of had a sad look about them.

    Mark Ort:

    32:30-32:37

    And maybe I'm wrong about that, but there were some people that we were with who were from the church there that were just full of joy.

    Mark Ort:

    32:38-32:41

    You know, Christ brings joy into people's lives and we could see that.

    Mark Ort:

    32:41-32:46

    It was obvious that those people that we were around in the church were very full of joy.

    Mark Ort:

    32:47-32:57

    And so their vision there is to spread that joy of Christ through the gospel to that area right there, and that's a pretty large area.

    Mark Ort:

    32:57-32:59

    And they're very aggressive.

    Mark Ort:

    32:59-33:08

    And I noticed that the Romanian people too are a very serious people, and the people at the church are very, very serious about their faith.

    Mark Ort:

    33:09-33:17

    It's not just some passing thing, "Oh, it's Sunday, let's go to church." This is something that's very serious to them, and they're very serious about evangelism.

    Mark Ort:

    33:17-33:18

    It was apparent.

    Mark Ort:

    33:19-33:27

    On Sunday, when we first got there, we got to worship on Sunday with them before we started our work on Monday morning.

    Mark Ort:

    33:30-33:39

    I got to tell you, when I walked into that church, they have two services and there's 300 people in each service, and there wasn't an empty seat.

    Mark Ort:

    33:40-33:41

    They need another building.

    Mark Ort:

    33:42-33:48

    And phase two of the project that we're working on will be an auditorium so that they can go and have enough space.

    Mark Ort:

    33:49-33:52

    And they're even talking about having two services there already.

    Mark Ort:

    33:54-33:59

    So phase two is next summer, to build an auditorium, maybe similar to this.

    Mark Ort:

    34:01-34:07

    But Sunday, when we went to church, and I heard these people singing.

    Mark Ort:

    34:08-34:12

    They sing the same songs that we do for the most part, only it's in another language.

    Mark Ort:

    34:12-34:16

    Four out of the five songs that we sang were songs that we were very familiar with.

    Mark Ort:

    34:17-34:22

    They had headphones for us and a translator was translating the lyrics, but I didn't need the lyrics.

    Mark Ort:

    34:23-34:25

    They had the English lyrics up on the screen.

    Mark Ort:

    34:27-34:40

    I'm not a crier, but it brought tears to my eyes when I sat there, or we were standing and we were singing with people who were singing in Romanian the same songs that we sing.

    Mark Ort:

    34:41-34:50

    And I thought, you know, I get a little bit of preview into heaven here because, you know, this is the first time I've been in a church where people were singing a completely different language.

    Mark Ort:

    34:52-34:53

    And I thought, this is what we're going to be doing in heaven.

    Mark Ort:

    34:54-34:58

    I don't know what that's going to sound like, but if it sounds like what it did over there, it was amazing.

    Mark Ort:

    34:59-35:06

    We were singing, I sang in English while everybody else was singing in Romanian, and it just brought tears to my eyes.

    Mark Ort:

    35:07-35:09

    I thought, "This is what we're going to be doing at the throne.

    Mark Ort:

    35:10-35:19

    We're going to be singing at the throne with these people and other people like them." In every tribe, every tongue, every language, we're going to be doing that.

    Mark Ort:

    35:19-35:20

    So I had a little bit of a preview of that.

    Mark Ort:

    35:21-35:23

    Was that great, guys, or what?

    Mark Ort:

    35:23-35:24

    I thought that was just amazing.

    Mark Ort:

    35:26-35:41

    Well, Monday we started the job and before we went to work, and I'm not going to describe all the work that we did because you know that we went to do some drywall, some framing, Mike did some framing and drywall.

    Mark Ort:

    35:41-35:42

    That was pretty much our week.

    Mark Ort:

    35:43-35:46

    But they took us on a tour of the building.

    Mark Ort:

    35:49-35:52

    It was amazing to me what was going on.

    Mark Ort:

    35:53-35:55

    If you could show the next slide, Brooke.

    Mark Ort:

    35:58-35:58

    That's not the facility.

    Mark Ort:

    35:59-36:00

    That's the neighborhood across the street.

    Mark Ort:

    36:01-36:04

    There's street after street of these new houses.

    Mark Ort:

    36:05-36:11

    I don't know if they were low income or middle income or whatever, but I just know there were a lot of them and they looked alike.

    Mark Ort:

    36:12-36:13

    There were street after street.

    Mark Ort:

    36:16-36:24

    As we were taking a tour of the building, they were showing us this one hallway that It was supposed to be the Sunday school area for the kids.

    Mark Ort:

    36:25-36:44

    They said, "Well, this part of the building caused us some problems with federal mandates and things like that." They had to change some things because these people right here walked over and said, "What's this building?

    Mark Ort:

    36:44-36:49

    What are you going to do with this building?" Well, the hallway we were in was supposed to be the Sunday school area.

    Mark Ort:

    36:50-36:51

    The people asked for a kindergarten.

    Mark Ort:

    36:52-36:58

    These people right here asked them if they would take in their kids and teach them kindergarten.

    Mark Ort:

    37:00-37:47

    And immediately my mind jumped ahead 20 years and thought, "The kids in this neighborhood are going to be coming to kindergarten here and learning about Christ, bringing their parents, people are going to be getting saved, and the next thing that happens after you get saved, Brooke, you got the next one?" pool. Okay? Those kids from that neighborhood are going to be in that pool someday. They're going to be getting saved. Those were the two things that amazed me about our job that week. That if we look ahead, and generations, generations of people are going to be in that auditorium, that's phase two over there, there's going to be seats rising up there and it's that's going to be full of new Romanian Christians.

    Mark Ort:

    37:48-37:51

    And to think that we had a part in putting up some drywall.

    Mark Ort:

    37:52-37:54

    I mean, it was just thrilling.

    Mark Ort:

    37:55-37:58

    And I want to go back there and I want to see somebody getting dunked in that pool.

    Mark Ort:

    38:00-38:01

    Baptism represents new life.

    Mark Ort:

    38:01-38:04

    You know, we talked about that earlier, about baptism and communion.

    Mark Ort:

    38:05-38:08

    And baptism represents somebody who's got new life.

    Mark Ort:

    38:09-38:12

    And so I want to go back there and I want to see somebody getting dunked in that pool.

    Mark Ort:

    38:14-38:24

    Their accomplishment, or I'm sorry, our expectations were they had, what, three or four rooms for us to drywall?

    Mark Ort:

    38:25-38:31

    And we went through the drywall pile, what, by Wednesday morning, I think, or something like that.

    Mark Ort:

    38:32-38:37

    And even the first day, they said, "I think we're going to have to go get some more drywall.

    Mark Ort:

    38:37-38:45

    We didn't think you guys were going to move this fast." And I'm proud of this whole team because they worked, they were incredible.

    Mark Ort:

    38:45-38:48

    Every one of them was working really, really hard.

    Mark Ort:

    38:49-38:50

    I was probably the slowest one.

    Mark Ort:

    38:51-38:53

    I was probably the one holding the scaffolding the most.

    Mark Ort:

    38:55-38:58

    But these guys did an amazing job and I'm really proud of them.

    Mark Ort:

    38:59-39:07

    So we did, instead of three or four rooms that we were supposed to do, we were able to get six rooms done with two layers of drywall.

    Mark Ort:

    39:08-39:09

    They fired regulations.

    Mark Ort:

    39:11-39:13

    They want like a 90-minute burn through or something like that.

    Mark Ort:

    39:13-39:16

    And so there's two layers of drywall in the six rooms that we did.

    Mark Ort:

    39:16-39:20

    And then we did an additional partial three rooms with one layer.

    Mark Ort:

    39:21-39:25

    We didn't finish those rooms, but we got one layer on most of it and part of a hallway.

    Mark Ort:

    39:26-39:26

    And insulation.

    Mark Ort:

    39:27-39:33

    They had some insulation in there that we had to put in and wear masks and all that kind of stuff.

    Mark Ort:

    39:34-39:40

    But the people were so gracious to us and we didn't lack for any food.

    Mark Ort:

    39:40-39:41

    The food was good.

    Mark Ort:

    39:41-39:44

    They just kept bringing food, bringing food, bringing food, bringing food.

    Mark Ort:

    39:45-39:47

    And luckily we were working hard.

    Mark Ort:

    39:49-39:55

    But by the end of the week, we had established some really good relationships with people.

    Mark Ort:

    39:55-40:00

    And one thing about Romanians that we found was that they're very relational.

    Mark Ort:

    40:00-40:17

    And I had asked a couple of them, "Send me two or three of your prayer requests because I want to pray for you long term." And their prayer requests were for wisdom, guidance, and relationship issues.

    Mark Ort:

    40:17-40:19

    They're very relationship oriented.

    Mark Ort:

    40:20-40:24

    That's all they asked for, those three things, without exception.

    Mark Ort:

    40:26-40:28

    All the notes that I got back from these people, it was those three things.

    Mark Ort:

    40:30-40:34

    When we left, we had a couple that we had never met before.

    Mark Ort:

    40:34-40:36

    They drove us back to Hungary.

    Mark Ort:

    40:36-40:40

    We were going to stay near the Hungarian airport at Budapest.

    Mark Ort:

    40:41-40:45

    The driver, I had some real good conversations with him in the dark going back.

    Mark Ort:

    40:46-41:05

    I said, "You're going to get back really late tonight, and you're going to wake up tired for church." I said, "What time are you going to get back?" He said, "I'll get back about two or three in the morning." I said, "Wow, that's going to be hard for you to get up." He said, "No, it won't be hard for me to get up." He said, "God called me to this task.

    Mark Ort:

    41:06-41:22

    He said he appointed me for this job to take you to the airport." And here's what he said, "When God calls you to a task," and he said in his broken English, "When God calls you to a task, he gives you the means to do it." Now, he was talking about himself, okay?

    Mark Ort:

    41:23-41:35

    But when I heard that, I was thinking about our team, I was thinking about you guys, and God called us to a task to go over to Romania and help out with this building project.

    Mark Ort:

    41:35-41:41

    And somebody over there told me that when you go on a missions trip, you take away far more than you bring.

    Mark Ort:

    41:42-41:42

    And he was right.

    Mark Ort:

    41:43-41:44

    He was absolutely right.

    Mark Ort:

    41:44-41:56

    I don't know how much, in a grand scheme of things, putting up drywall in nine rooms, It was significant for us, it was significant to them, but it's a small, small spoke in the wheel.

    Mark Ort:

    41:56-41:57

    It's a small part.

    Mark Ort:

    41:59-42:01

    But God called us to that task.

    Mark Ort:

    42:02-42:11

    And we didn't know how we were going to get the money, we didn't know how things were going to work out, but God called us to a task to go.

    Mark Ort:

    42:11-42:13

    He provided the means to do it.

    Mark Ort:

    42:13-42:17

    He provided the means through generous people outside of this church and here.

    Mark Ort:

    42:18-42:24

    You guys were part of that, answering our prayers for funding to go.

    Mark Ort:

    42:25-42:28

    And so, when he said that, it really struck me.

    Mark Ort:

    42:28-42:31

    When God calls you to a task, He will give you the means to do it.

    Mark Ort:

    42:33-42:34

    And so, we all made it home.

    Mark Ort:

    42:35-42:37

    I don't know how much jet lag you guys had.

    Mark Ort:

    42:38-42:40

    I slept great this week.

    Mark Ort:

    42:42-42:49

    Brooke's back here at the computer, and she did a fantastic job on a video, and we'd like that to you now.

Small Group Questions (Whole Group):

Discuss any of the questions (and answers) from Sunday outlined above. Reflect on the answers given. How would you answer these?


Breakout Questions:

Pray for one another.

Be Comforted! - Part 1

What Happens to Christians who die?
Four Words of Comfort for the Living:

  1. We don't have to WONDER what happens when we die. (1 Thes 4:13)

  2. Luke 16:22-23, 2 Corinthians 5:8, Philippians 1:23

  3. Jesus gets us to HEAVEN . (1 Thes 4:14)


  4. Jesus is coming back to GATHER all His people. (1 Thes 4:16-17)

  5. John 14:2-3, 1 Corinthians 15:23, 51-52, Philippians 3:21

  6. Someday, we will ALWAYS be with the Lord.(1 Thes 4:17)

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  • 00:01-00:14

    It was a couple of months ago after our last baptism service, I had come home and as soon as I walked in the door I saw Cade sitting in the kitchen and it was obvious that he'd been crying like a lot.

    00:17-00:28

    And so I saw Cade, then I looked at Aaron, and husbands that have kids, you know the look when you come home from work and your wife has that look on her face.

    00:28-00:30

    Do you know the look that I'm talking about?

    00:31-00:33

    I see some husbands like, yeah, I know the look, yeah.

    00:33-00:34

    Do you know the look I'm talking about?

    00:35-00:39

    The look that they give you that's like, do something.

    00:40-00:44

    You know, well, I could tell that Aaron had had a rough ordeal with Cade.

    00:45-00:48

    And I walked in and I said, what's going on?

    00:49-00:51

    And Aaron says, will you please talk to him?

    00:52-00:54

    And I said, what's the matter, buddy?

    00:55-00:57

    And he started tearing up again.

    00:57-01:14

    He said, "I don't want to go to heaven." And I'm like, "This is the preacher's kid, and he's crying because he doesn't want to go to heaven." Like, I have completely failed, completely failed.

    01:14-01:17

    This is what rock bottom feels like, okay?

    01:18-01:21

    My own flesh and blood is crying because he doesn't want to go to heaven.

    01:21-01:38

    So I said, "Why don't you want to go to heaven?" And he said, "Because my action figures won't be there." And I said, "Well, you do kind of have a point." I didn't say that.

    01:39-01:40

    What do you say?

    01:41-01:42

    What do you say?

    01:43-01:48

    He said, "But are my action figures gonna be in heaven?" What do you say to a nine-year-old?

    01:50-01:51

    Well, I told him the truth.

    01:53-02:03

    And the truth is, I said, "Cade, in heaven, God is going to give you everything that's going to make you happy." Is that true?

    02:05-02:07

    And at this point, that's all he needs to know.

    02:08-02:14

    That in heaven, God is going to give you everything that's going to make you happy.

    02:15-02:19

    And then you find out that the truth is, He gives you Himself.

    02:21-02:23

    And ultimately, that's where our joy is, amen?

    02:24-02:41

    But the reason I'm telling you this story is, you know, there's... when we talk about heaven and we talk about death and we talk about dying, there's so much confusion and so much misinformation that it results in grief.

    02:44-02:45

    What happens when we die?

    02:46-02:51

    Well, the Thessalonian church we talked about last week, they were waiting.

    02:52-02:55

    They knew, they knew that Jesus was returning.

    02:56-03:05

    But remember we had talked about this series that Paul, Paul sort of had to get out of town quickly, so he didn't get to teach them everything that he wanted to.

    03:05-03:08

    We saw, we see that over and over in 1st and 2nd Thessalonians.

    03:09-03:11

    He said, "We need to complete what's lacking in your faith.

    03:11-03:18

    There's some more stuff that we need to teach you." But we kind of had to get out of town, you know, because of the whole riot and all of those things.

    03:20-03:22

    And so, the Thessalonians knew some things.

    03:22-03:28

    They knew Jesus was returning, but there was a lot of stuff that we just can't figure out.

    03:28-03:36

    Like, okay, wait, so there's a heaven and someday we're going to get a new body, but like what happens before then?

    03:36-03:39

    And Jesus is going to return.

    03:39-03:45

    So what happens to those who died before Jesus returns, right?

    03:45-03:54

    Because you said that Jesus is going to come back and like... So what happens... Okay, so Grandma died and where is she?

    03:56-04:00

    And like Jesus is going to return, but Grandma's not here.

    04:00-04:05

    And like there was so much confusion about what happens when we die.

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    That's why I want you to jump down to verse 18, because here's the sermon, verse 18.

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    Paul says everything we're going to look at.

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    He says, "Therefore, encourage one another with these words." So when I'm looking at the passage this week, I wasn't like, "Okay, so I'm supposed to take these words and draw out this eschatological chart," and that's not what he said.

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    What did he say to do with this passage?

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    He said, "Encourage one another with these words." And I promise you, there are some people sitting in the seats right now that are stirred up, maybe discouraged, maybe a little depressed, because you're not sure what happens when we die and what happens to those who have died.

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    And, well, we're going to comfort you.

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    with these words today.

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    So on your outline, you know I don't do a lot of cross-referencing usually, but I have some cross-referenced verses on your outline so that as we go through them, I wanted you to have them handy so that when you go home, you're like, "Well, he said this, but I wasn't sure about that." You can look these verses up again, okay?

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    So there's some cross-referencing there for you.

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    But on your outline, what happens to Christians who die?

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    Here's four words of comfort for the living.

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    Somebody's like, "Well, I'm looking at the outline now, there's a lot more than four words on there." Come on, don't be smart.

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    You know how it is.

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    If somebody says, "I'd like to have a word with you," you know what that means, right?

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    We're going to comfort you with the words.

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    Okay, four words of comfort for the living.

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    Number one, I love, man, I was like trying to pick a favorite this week, and I could not do it.

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    But this was like, you know, one of the ones tied for first.

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    This is so comforting.

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    Number one, we don't have to wonder what happens when we die.

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    We don't have to wonder.

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    We don't have to wonder.

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    What do you think happens when we die?

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    We don't have to wonder.

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    Look at verse 13.

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    Paul says, "But we do not want you to be uninformed, brothers, about those who are asleep." means have passed away.

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    We're going to talk about that in a second.

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    We do not want you to be uninformed, brothers, about those who are asleep, so that you may not grieve as others do who have no hope.

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    First of all, yes, we grieve.

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    Grieving is normal.

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    There are some even in the Christian church that are like, "Well, you shouldn't grieve.

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    I mean, if you know Jesus, you should know better.

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    You shouldn't grieve." Grieving is fine.

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    Grieving is normal.

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    Grieving is expected.

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    Okay?

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    This passage isn't saying we don't grieve.

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    The passage is saying that we don't grieve in the way that others grieve.

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    Okay?

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    But we still grieve, right?

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    What does Romans 12, 15 say?

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    That we rejoice with those who rejoice and we weep with those who weep.

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    So we should grieve.

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    It's okay to grieve.

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    Grieving is normal.

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    We're going to miss the person, right?

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    That's why we grieve.

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    This person was a big part of my life, and I miss him.

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    I miss him being in my life.

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    I miss being around him, and I just miss him being around.

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    So we grieve, but not like the pagans, okay?

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    We don't grieve like the pagans, as others do who have no hope.

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    People who don't know Jesus Christ or people that are involved in some other religion, they don't have confidence in what happens when you die.

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    The best that every other religion in the world, other than what the scriptures teach, other than what the Bible teaches, every other religion, the best they offer is, "Do your best and you might get rewarded when you die, we're not sure." There is a huge question mark in other religions about what happens when you die.

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    Even in Islam, you can be a devout Muslim, but when you stand before Allah, he may or may not let you in.

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    I guess it depends how he feels that day, but there's no guarantees other than jihad.

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    That's a different story.

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    See, in other religions, it's, "We don't know.

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    We're not quite sure." But you see, we're informed.

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    We are informed because the truth of the Bible is radically different than what other religions teach.

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    We're going to look at them in just a second, but I want to call your attention to this word "asleep." We do not want you to be uninformed, brothers, about those who are asleep.

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    When the word sleep shows up in the Bible referring to death, you'll notice that it always refers to the body, the physical body.

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    Why?

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    Because from the point of view of the living, it's just a temporary thing.

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    Do you understand that?

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    From the point of view of the living, somebody that dies is referred to as sleeping because it's just a temporary thing.

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    Like, well, what do you mean by that?

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    Remember when Lazarus died, Luke chapter 11, what did Jesus say?

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    Jesus is like, "He's sleeping." What do you mean by that?

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    He's going to get up.

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    And in Lazarus' case, he got up very soon.

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    It's just a temporary condition.

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    But understand this, this is so important.

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    Don't miss this.

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    I get asked this question almost as much as any other question I get asked as a pastor.

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    I get asked the question, "When you die, do you immediately go somewhere?

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    Or are you unconscious?" Well, here's the answer to that question.

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    This is from the Bible.

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    But your spirit is never unconscious.

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    There's no such thing as soul sleep.

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    There's no such thing as purgatory.

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    Okay?

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    None of those things are true.

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    The Bible says that when you die in Christ, we're addressing Christians today, when you die your spirit immediately goes straight to heaven.

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    Like, I need some scripture to back that up.

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    Well, I have them on your outline.

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    I want to reference quickly, first of all, Luke chapter 16, Jesus tells the story of the rich man and Lazarus.

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    And Jesus tells how they both died, and the rich man went to Hades where he was suffering, and Lazarus went to, Jesus said he was in Abraham's bosom.

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    And some people have taken that to mean that there's some spiritual realm that's referred to as Abraham's bosom, and that's not what that means.

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    He's talking about heaven.

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    Jesus in the book of Matthew talked about in heaven reclining at the table with Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.

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    So, this concept of Abraham's bosom just means you're in heaven with Abraham.

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    And their day, when they sat at the table to eat, they weren't sitting in chairs at the dining room table.

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    They would actually recline at a flat table.

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    So, when they would eat, they were actually kind of laying on each other.

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    And that's what Jesus was talking about here, was Lazarus was reclining at the table with Abraham.

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    He's at Abraham's side, or in Abraham's bosom, meaning he's kind of... How many people are glad we don't eat like that today?

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    I love you guys, but I wouldn't want any of you laying on me while I'm trying to eat, okay?

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    But that was how they did it, and that's what we're talking about here.

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    But the point of the story is, immediately upon death, their spirits went somewhere.

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    2 Corinthians 5:8, Paul says, "We would rather be away from the body "and at home with the Lord." Do you notice there's nothing in the middle, okay?

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    He didn't say that there was some intermediate state.

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    When you're out of your body, you are where?

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    You're at home with the Lord.

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    Philippians 1:23, Paul says, "My desire is to depart and be in purgatory." No, he didn't say that.

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    "My desire is to depart and sleep in the grave." No, he didn't say that.

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    What did he say?

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    "My desire is to depart and be with Christ." That is far better.

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    So here's a word of comfort for you today.

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    We don't have to wonder.

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    We don't have to wonder, "What happens when I die?

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    What happened to my grandma who died?

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    What happened to that awesome Christian neighbor I had that died?" We don't have to wonder.

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    We know exactly what happens.

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    Number two, word of comfort for the living, number two is Jesus gets us to heaven.

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    Jesus gets us to heaven.

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    Look at verse 14.

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    He says, "For since we believe that Jesus died and rose again." I want to stop here because we're about to hit this big teaching here on future events.

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    But you have to understand before we get to that teaching that all of this is predicated on the truth that Jesus provides the way of salvation.

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    All of this is predicated on the truth that Jesus provides the way of salvation, and that is so comforting.

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    You know why?

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    That means it doesn't depend on me.

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    If it was up to me to get to heaven, I would never make it.

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    I have failed and failed and failed, and guess what?

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    I'm going to fail today, and if God gives me tomorrow, I'm going to fail.

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    I'm living in fallen flesh.

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    I'm going to fail.

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    I am willing to fail and so are you." And if it was up to us to earn our way to heaven, like, "Okay God, I'll be good now," none of us would be there.

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    That's why Paul reminds us of this glorious truth of the gospel.

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    All of this that he's about to teach about going to heaven is based on the fact that Jesus died for our sins and he rose to give us eternal life.

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    First Corinthians chapter 15 and verse 56 talks about these things that we're talking about this morning.

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    When you get to the end of First Corinthians 15, Paul starts taunting death.

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    "Oh, death, where is your victory?

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    Death, where is your sting?" And in verse 56, Paul says, "The sting of death is sin." You know honeybees?

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    Do you know honeybees can only sting once?

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    Did you know that?

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    knew that. Like everybody, party on. Okay, so you're totally going to get this.

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    Honeybees can only sting one time, and then what happens to them? They're dead, right? They can sting once and then they die. So understand, when Jesus was on the cross, he was experiencing the sting of death. And just like that bee couldn't like buzz down and sting Sally and then come over and sting me. When Jesus took the sting of death on the cross, death doesn't have a stinger anymore. I don't have to fear the penalty of my sin because it left its stinger in Jesus when he was on the cross. So that's why just like that bee is dead and powerless after it stings someone, Paul says that death, death itself is dead and powerless against us when you believe in Jesus Christ.

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    He took the sting on the cross, so now there is no sting.

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    So I don't have to wonder what happens when we die, and Jesus gets us to heaven, and this stuff is now, but the question is what's going to happen in the future?

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    What's going to happen at the return of Christ, and that's where he gets in in these next couple of verses.

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    So I want you to study with me here, okay?

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    Number three, Jesus is coming back to gather all his people.

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    Jesus is coming back to gather all his people.

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    Let's pick up in the text.

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    Since we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so, through Jesus, God will, look Look at this, "Bring with him those who have fallen asleep.

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    For this we declare to you by a word from the Lord, that we who are alive, who are left until the coming of the Lord, will not precede those who have fallen asleep.

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    For the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a cry of command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the sound of the trumpet of God and the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive, who are left, will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we will always be with the Lord." That's saying a lot, and we're going to break this down for all of our Savior, very simply, Jesus is coming back to gather all his people.

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    The verses 14 and 15 tell us that Jesus is coming back, and when he comes back, he's going to be bringing those spirits of those sleeping, in other words, the people who have died that their spirits are in heaven, those spirits are going to be coming back with Jesus Paul says in verse 16, "The Lord himself will descend from heaven with a cry of command." That Greek word for cry is actually a military command.

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    I love that.

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    When Jesus comes back, it's not going to be like, you know, when I'm trying to get my kids out the door, "Come on, come on, get your shoes on, come on, come on." It's not going to be like that.

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    It's going to be a military command.

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    Jesus ascending with his people, giving a command to assemble everybody.

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    Line up.

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    We're out of here.

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    Military command, ultimate authority that Jesus alone possesses.

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    Awesome. Everybody say awesome.

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    See, we talk about stuff being awesome, but stuff isn't awesome.

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    That cheeseburger you had yesterday wasn't awesome.

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    OK, that TV show wasn't awesome, but you know what is awesome?

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    So let's try that again.

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    Everybody say "awesome." Awesome.

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    Awesome.

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    Then notice it says, "with the voice of an archangel." You're like, "who's that?" You know there's only one angel named in the Bible as an archangel, and that's Michael.

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    That's in Jude in verse 9.

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    So my best understanding of this is Michael's coming alongside Jesus.

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    are so often talked about in end time events being used by God to accomplish his purposes. So my understanding of this is it's Michael the Archangel alongside Jesus and all of the spirits of those who have died ahead of those who are left on the earth. Verse 17 it says that we who are alive who are left will be caught up together. Underline in your Bible the word caught up, those words caught up. Underline those. Why? Because it's from this word, arpeggio, that we get the concept of rapture, and the rapture is the catching away of the church. The reason I want you to underline this is you hear people say things like, "Well, you know, I don't believe in the rapture because the word rapture isn't in the Bible. Have you heard that? How many people have heard somebody say that? The word rapture isn't in the Bible. It's not. That is a word that's attached to this word that's attached to this concept, okay? So instead of us talking about this event as in, you know, "What's going to happen when Jesus comes back to assemble all of the people living and dead in resurrection?" We've put a word to that concept, and it comes from this "caught up." That's where we get that. It's actually, that harpazo is actually a violent word, meaning it's not like picking blueberries, okay? Jesus is going to come and just... The word's actually a very aggressive word. Like Jesus is going to come and like, "Mine!" And like, the words used like in, what is it, John chapter 10. Jesus said, "No one can snatch you from my hand." It's the same word, snatch. That harpazo. Nobody "I aggressively take you from me because you're mine." And then he says, "No one can snatch you from the Father's hand." And in Matthew chapter 11, Jesus says, "The kingdom is advancing and violent men take it by force." He's talking about the aggressiveness that people go after the kingdom.

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    Same word, it's a grabbing.

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    That's what the Bible says.

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    Jesus is going to come from heaven and he's going to grab all his people.

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    John chapter 14, Jesus talked about this during His earthly ministry.

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    Remember He said, verses two and three, "My Father's house are many rooms.

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    "If it were not so, would I have told you "that I go to prepare a place for you?

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    "And if I go to prepare a place for you, I will," look at this, "I will come again "and will take you to myself that where I am "you may be also." So the Bible says Jesus will return with those spirits of the people who died and resurrect their bodies into glorified bodies.

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    Okay, those bodies that are asleep in the grave, Jesus, when he comes back, is going to be calling those bodies out of the grave and transform them into glorious bodies, and those spirits are going to be reunited with those glorious bodies.

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    Like, well, what about the people that are like alive when Jesus returns, like when do we get our glorified bodies?

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    Well, the living immediately receive their glorified bodies.

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    That's why we have to do a little cross-referencing here.

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    1 Corinthians chapter 15, verse 23.

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    And then I'm going to read verses 51 and 52.

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    But I encourage you to read 1 Corinthians 15.

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    He talks all about this.

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    He says, concerning the rapture, end times, return of Christ, He says, "But each in his own order, Christ the firstfruits, then in his coming those who belong to Christ.

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    Behold, I tell you a mystery.

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    We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed." I used to think that verse was about having babies, you know, because what happens when you have a baby?

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    We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed?

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    And I found out that this has nothing to do with babies.

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    This has to do with the resurrection that takes place at the rapture.

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    He says, "We shall not all sleep," meaning some of us are going to be alive when Jesus returns.

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    When is that?

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    I have no idea.

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    But some of us sitting in this room may very well be alive when Jesus returns.

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    We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed in a moment in the twinkling of an eye.

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    Meaning, instantaneously, if you're alive when Jesus returns, he's like, "Boom!

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    You get your glorified body." Yeah, these people that are coming with me, I'm bringing their bodies up out of the grave, transforming them, spirit back in there.

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    They're ready for eternity.

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    You that are still alive waiting for me, you're ready for eternity.

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    Glorified body, instantaneous transformation is what 1 Corinthians 15 says, "In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye." Then he says at the last trumpet, "For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised imperishable." Okay, spirits into the bodies.

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    Raised imperishable, and we, meaning those alive on the earth, shall be changed.

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    Back to 1 Thessalonians 4, notice he says, you know, "Cry, command, voice of the archangel," And with the sound of the trumpet of God.

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    Like, well, what's up with the trumpet?

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    Well, in the Old Testament, it's really neat.

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    You go to Exodus chapter 19.

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    When God wanted to assemble all of the Israelites for a meeting, he blew a trumpet.

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    Okay, they didn't send out an email where God's like, "Follow me on Twitter so you know when we're meeting." No, when he wanted all of the people to come together for a meeting, they would blast the trumpet.

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    And that's what this is talking about here.

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    When Jesus returns, he's like, "All my people together for a meeting!" Trumpet sounds to signify God's people are being called to gather.

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    Awesome.

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    Awesome.

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    So, with this order of events, when you think about it, it's just like Jesus.

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    Think of Jesus in his earthly ministry.

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    Jesus literally died, right?

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    Body on the cross, body taken down from the cross, body put in the tomb, stone rolled, right?

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    His body was in the tomb.

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    Was Jesus unconscious?

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    Did Jesus have soul sleep?

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    What happened to Jesus?

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    Obviously Jesus was still existing.

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    Jesus was still conscious even though his body was in the grave.

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    And on the third day, Jesus was reunited with his new glorified body that came out of the tomb.

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    And it's going to be exactly the same for us.

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    See, we're going to die, we're going to spend time away from our body, and we're ultimately going to be reunited with our glorified body.

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    The only difference is, it might not be three days.

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    It might be more than a three-day span between leaving the body and being reunited with the glorified body.

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    That's why Paul says in Philippians 3, 20 and 21, "Our citizenship is in heaven, "and from it we await a Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ," look at this, "who will transform our lowly body "to be like his glorious body." You're going to have a body just like Jesus' glorified body.

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    Isn't that awesome?

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    Jesus' glorified body, He could walk through walls.

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    Remember, He flew up to heaven.

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    Like who's not excited about that?

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    You're going to have this body that is glorified and indestructible and ageless.

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    You know, all the back problems and arthritis and cancers and all of those things that, as a result of living in a fallen world, that just are wearing our bodies out.

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    We're going to get a body that was designed by God to last forever, just like the one Jesus himself has.

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    We will, who will transform, excuse me, our lowly body to be like His glorious body.

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    So Jesus is coming back.

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    He's going to gather us all together and He's going to give us a body just like His.

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    Is that comforting?

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    And then finally, verse 17, He says, "And so," look at the end of the verse, "And so we will always be with the Lord." of comfort this is, someday we will always be with the Lord.

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    Someday, someday, it's all going to be behind you forever.

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    Pain, disappointment, discouragement, as I said, cancer, diabetes, oxygen tanks, wheelchairs, autism, death, all of these things are forever going to be just a distant memory.

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    So we will always be with the Lord.

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    So my word for you today, church, under the authority of God's word is this.

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    Be comforted.

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    Be comforted.

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    You are not uninformed.

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    We know how this ends.

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    Jesus bought our ticket to heaven with his own blood, and he's coming back to take all of his people there so that we can always be with him.

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    This is what keeps us going, and this is what comforts us until we get there.

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    Father in heaven, we thank you that you didn't leave us wondering.

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    You actually wrote it down, you put it in a book, and it became the bestseller of all time.

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    We have it in our hands.

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    We don't have to wonder what happens when we die.

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    Even in just these few verses we looked at this morning, you laid it out crystal clear.

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    We thank You God, not just for the information, but we thank You for this glorious plan.

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    What an awesome and humbling thing it is to think that we're going to go through the same type of thing that Jesus went through, that even if our body dies, we're going to have a glorified body resurrection someday.

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    Father, I think the most comforting thing in this passage is that the day is coming that we will be with you forever.

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    Know how sweet are the times on this earth that we have communion with you.

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    How we long for those times.

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    How we feel so dry.

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    We don't have those times of sweet communion with you in prayer and in your Word.

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    But to think that there's going to be a day that perfect, sinless, constant communion with you is going to be the norm.

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    We thank You for that.

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    So Father, I pray today that very simply that Your words were a comfort to someone here that had a concern about these things.

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    Glorify Your name.

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    We pray through Jesus Christ, our Lord and Savior, Amen.

Small Group Questions (Whole Group):
Read 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18

  1. Can you explain the sequence of events Paul lays out in v13-18 regarding the Rapture and the people involved? What was Paul's purpose for describing the Rapture (hint: v18)?
     

  2. What are some things from this passage / sermon regarding "end time events" that are different than how you understood them previously?
     

  3. How is "Christian grieving" different from "worldly grieving"?


Breakout Questions:

Pray for one another

Be a Good Neighbor!

Everyday Christian Living:

  1. Love MORE . (1 Thes 4:9-10)


  2. Live QUIETLY . (1 Thes 4:11a)


  3. Mind your own BUSINESS . (1 Thes 4:11b)


  4. Work HARD . (1 Thes 4:11c-12)

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    What does the Christian life look like?

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    From when I leave here today and I go home and tomorrow I go to work and I spend time with my family and I get some down time and then, you know, eventually find my way back here next Sunday, what does that time look like from the time you leave here until the time you get back?

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    How would you describe that to someone?

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    Here's what it looks like to be a Christian.

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    For me as a young Christian, I had no idea what it was supposed to look like.

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    I was saved, and I was excited, and I was very zealous, but I was very clueless.

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    And I know I've told some of you this story before, but I remember as a young Christian, I went to this, I had just moved to Ohio, started Bible college, and I went to some like, it was like some county fair or something like that.

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    You know, the county fair, the farm show up in, there was a thing like that out in Ohio.

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    You know, I was living out there by myself, didn't know anybody, nothing going on.

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    I'm like, I'll just go to this thing by myself.

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    And just kind of walking around.

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    Well, there was this ride called the Zipper.

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    And in the Zipper, they lock two people in this cage, and the little cage spins, but it's on a track that spins, and then the whole machine spins.

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    And how many people have ever ridden the Zipper at the, Okay, you know what I'm talking about?

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    So I'm in line for this thing, and they're like, "You need a partner." I'm like, "Well, I don't have anyone.

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    I literally know nobody in Ohio." And they're like, "Well, you need a partner." Well, there were like these three other guys in line, and they're like, "Well, we're gonna pair you up with this guy." So they locked me and this guy in the cage.

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    We're like crammed into this thing, like a couple of sardines.

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    And I'm thinking, "This is an evangelism opportunity." So the zipper starts going and we're spinning and the ride's spinning and creaking and you know bolts and pieces are falling off like they do on those rides and I'm thinking this is my chance to share the gospel with this guy so we're on this ride and we're all flying around and I lean over to this guy and I'm like do you know what's gonna happen to you when you die?

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    Look, nobody ever said I was Billy Graham, okay?" Looking back, he could have thought a lot of things, like, "Do you know something I don't? You know, you're gonna pull a knife on me, like, what are you talking about?" I will never forget his response. As we're on this ride, as I lean over, as I shout into his ear, "Do you know what's going to happen to you when you die, I will never forget his response as he replied, "Woo! I don't care! Woo!" And I'm on the rest of the ride flying all over the place looking at this guy, I'm like, "You don't care? You don't care? You don't care?" And so we get off the ride and like, "Oh, that was awkward." I give him a gospel tract, I'm like, "Hey, you know, something to about, because you're going somewhere for eternity and it's very important to think about it.

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    He took the card and he's like, "Thanks, man." You could tell he's kind of looking at his friends like, "Get me away from this guy." Here's the thing, I was like, "Wait a minute, wait a minute.

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    I thought when you became a Christian, I thought every day was the book of Acts.

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    You roll out of bed and you get your cloak on or whatever and you walk out your front door and you preach the gospel and it's sackcloth and ashes and every day there's just thousands of people coming to Christ, repenting, and mass revival.

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    I thought the Christian life just looked like the book of Acts, like adventure after miracle after...

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    well then I found out, and please hear what I'm saying, I don't want you to misunderstand what I'm trying to say, There's a sense in which you can say the book of Acts isn't like the book of Acts.

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    Now hang on, here's what I mean.

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    Sometimes when we read the Bible, we can think that the events of the book of Acts happened over the course of three days.

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    Like, "Wow!

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    Wow!

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    Three days!

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    Like, that happened over years and years.

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    Were those events true?

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    Yes.

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    Did God show up in big ways?

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    Yes.

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    But it happened over a long period of time.

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    There's a lot of things that happened in that time span that aren't recorded in the book of Acts.

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    Just like if you were like, "Jeff, tell me about your Christian adventures." I can tell you some stories of God showing up big and doing miracles and sackcloth and ashes.

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    I can tell you stories of my life over the past 20 years that when you put them all together, you would think that my life is like the book of Acts, right?

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    Well, we're talking about a handful of events spread over a long period of time.

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    Does that make sense?

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    Is everybody with me?

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    Okay.

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    Totally true, but don't think that like, you know, all this stuff happened in three days.

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    See, I learned to understand that the Christian life, yes, those things do happen, they do.

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    The question is, what does a Christian life look like when those things aren't happening?

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    Like day to day, right?

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    Monday through Friday, time to make the donuts kind of thing.

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    Like, what does the Christian life look like During that time, what does that time look like?

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    You know, we don't have some kind of detached belief system like we come to church on Sunday and we talk about these things that we believe on Sunday and then we just go unchanged back into the world.

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    You know, the gospel of Jesus Christ is not just believe these facts and understand certain things so that you have this head knowledge.

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    That's not the gospel.

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    The gospel is, by nature, you're rebellious.

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    You have sinned against God, and you deserve the worst thing that God can do to you, because you have rebelled against your creator.

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    God created you for him, and we've all sinned against him.

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    That's the bad news.

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    But the good news is that God loves you so much that he sent his son to die in your place.

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    God says, "I'm going to punish Jesus for all of the wicked things that Jeff did, and all the wicked things that Bob did, and all the wicked things that Darren did.

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    But I'm going to punish, I'm going to put the payment for that sin on my son.

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    I'm going to punish Jesus as if I was punishing the actual sinner.

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    We are forgiven in Jesus Christ when we receive him by faith.

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    But that's not the end of the gospel.

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    The Bible says that Jesus rose from the dead, and because he rose from the dead, Bible says he gives us his life.

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    His Holy Spirit lives inside of us.

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    That's where the change comes from.

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    Understand, the change doesn't come from you come to church and I read you this list of rules and you're like, "Okay, I see these rules "and I'm gonna try really hard to do better this week." That's not where life change comes from.

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    Life change comes because God's Holy Spirit is living inside you.

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    That's what transforms you.

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    And a faith that doesn't change you hasn't saved you.

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    So we get to 1 Thessalonians chapter 4, we saw last week in verse 3, remember he says, For this is the will of God, your sanctification, that you abstain from sexual immorality." And he goes on with some more teaching.

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    "God's will for you is your sanctification." You're growing in Christ, you're being set apart and holy because God has pronounced you holy.

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    And we're growing in that love relationship with Christ.

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    And sanctification happens in your daily life, you see.

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    It's not like, "We're going to get to church because I have an hour for God to grow me before I get back out there." This is a place of growth, but understand that most of your growth is going to happen day to day.

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    Some of you are like, "Well, isn't this stuff sort of obvious?" And you would think that it is, but people sometimes have issues, and the Thessalonians sure did.

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    Before we get to the text here, just to give you a little context, you kind of put these things together when you read 1 and 2 Thessalonians, but it looks like that the Thessalonians believed that because Jesus was returning, that they were just going to wait.

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    Okay, so obviously there was some teaching that Paul gave them and Silas gave them that Jesus Christ is returning.

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    So Thessalonians were like, "Oh, Jesus is coming back?

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    That's cool.

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    We'll just, you know what, we'll just, we'll just wait." To the point that some of them were actually being lazy and they were neglecting their normal duties, like going to work.

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    You see that in 2 Thessalonians 3.11.

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    Okay, so they're like, "Jesus is coming back." Well, pfft, I'm quitting my job.

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    Who's going to work?

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    Jesus is coming back?

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    That's what happens.

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    We see it throughout 1 and 2 Thessalonians.

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    Paul's like, "Hey, get to work, get to work, get to work.

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    You guys need to get some things right about the return of Christ." I was thinking about this week, I wonder how far some people actually took this idea of Jesus is coming back, therefore I don't have to blank.

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    I was wondering that.

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    Like, were there people that were like, wife was like, "Hey, would you do those dishes?" And the husband's like, "Jesus is coming back.

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    I ain't doing the dishes." You know, somebody's saying to their kids like, "Hey, brush your teeth and go to bed." And the kids are like, "Brush my teeth?

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    I'm not worried about brushing my teeth.

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    Jesus is coming back, like any second now.

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    So why should I brush my teeth?

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    I wonder, you know?

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    Or if like dad comes home from work and he's like, what's for supper?

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    And mom's like, I didn't feed the kids today.

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    Why didn't you feed the kids today?

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    Because Jesus is coming back.

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    Like, hey, just chill out, man.

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    You know, Jesus is coming back.

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    So let's not get too excited.

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    I don't know how far they took it, But I do know, the Bible's very clear that some of them, some of them just got lazy.

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    They just got lazy.

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    Jesus is coming back, we'll just kind of hang out and grab a beanbag, we're gonna wait.

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    And Paul talks about that throughout the 2 Thessalonians chapter two.

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    And certainly we commend them for being fired up, but they were ignorant about some things concerning the return of Christ.

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    And we already saw this in 1 Thessalonians 3.10.

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    Paul said they needed some more teaching.

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    So, the Thessalonians had issues and Harvest Bible Chapel has issues, and the church in general in 2015 has issues.

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    And ironically, the issues are opposite of the issues that the Thessalonians were dealing with.

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    They were like so excited that Jesus was coming back, that they were like, "You know what?

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    We're not gonna have anything to do with worldly affairs.

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    We, on the other hand, are so indifferent that Jesus is coming back that we get consumed with worldly affairs.

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    But it's the same message for them, same message for us.

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    That's what we're going to see in the passage here.

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    I know that was a big setup, right?

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    But that's what we're going to see in the passage.

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    What do we do with our time here?

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    What does our faith look like Monday through Saturday?

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    What does our faith look like nine to five, business casual, sometimes blue jeans, blue collar, white collar, one day at a time, everyday living as a disciple of Jesus?

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    What does that look like?

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    So in your outline, everyday Christian living, first of all, number one, love more.

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    Love more.

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    Look at verses nine and 10.

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    He says, "Now concerning brotherly love, you have no need for anyone to write to you, for you yourselves have been taught by God to love one another.

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    For that indeed is what you are doing to all the brothers throughout Macedonia." Like Thessalonica was the capital city of Macedonia.

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    But we urge you brothers to do this more and more.

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    But first of all, love more.

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    The number one, love more.

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    Concerning brotherly love, he says.

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    That is the word Philadelphia, the city of brotherly love.

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    And he says, now concerning brotherly love, originally the word meant like the affection that I have for someone who came from the same womb that I came from.

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    And in New Testament times, it came to refer to the love that people have for each other in the church.

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    He says, "You have no need for anyone to write to you.

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    If you yourselves," look at this, "have been taught by God to love one another." And again, I was studying this this week, and I'm like, "Oh, this is easy.

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    This is like the easy part of my job." Because for the Christians that are sitting here, I don't have to get up and give you some kind of a sales pitch to love each other.

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    I don't have to do that.

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    Here's why you should love, here's why you should love.

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    I don't have to do that.

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    You're like, "Well, why don't you have to do that?" Because look what your Bible says.

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    He says, "I don't even need to write about this because you've been taught by God." You see, this is something that God does in you through His Spirit.

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    impossible for Christians not to love.

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    When it comes to loving each other, you don't need external motivation. Romans 5:5 says that God pours his love into our hearts. That's where the love comes from. Not like we muster it up. God pours his love into our hearts, so we love people with the love that God gives to us. 1 John 3.14 just blatantly says that it's the evidence that you are saved in the first place. You're like, "Am I a Christian? Am I a Christian?" John says, "We know that we have passed from death into life." That's just another way of saying we know we're saved, and that we love the brothers. He says it's an evidence of salvation. It's easy.

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    Do you have a brotherly love for other Christians? You're like, "Yeah, I do, man. I small group, I love the people, I have this great love for Christians." Well, that's indication that you're saved.

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    I'm like, "Do you love other Christians?" You're like, "No, man, I hate church people and I want nothing to do with them and I've never met a church person that I liked." I got bad news for you, that's evidence that you're unsaved, according to God's Word.

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    That's evidence that you don't know the Lord, because you can't know the Lord and hate the Lord's people, you can't do it.

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    I'm not going to try to sell you on this.

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    But notice verse 10, he's like, okay, you got this.

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    But verse 10, he says to do it more and more.

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    We urge you brothers to do this more and more.

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    So it's like, keep it up.

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    You love each other.

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    I see that in this church.

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    I see you loving each other.

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    I don't need to sell you on it.

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    So I'm just gonna echo Paul here.

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    You're like, yeah, keep at it.

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    Like, what do you mean specifically?

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    There's some broad categories.

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    if you're talking specifics, compassion.

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    How do we love people more and more?

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    How about in areas of compassion?

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    Caring for those in need, looking, okay, this is a brother that's hurting, this is a sister that's having a hard time.

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    How can I alleviate the pressure?

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    Compassion.

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    I see that in the church.

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    I'm like, hey, keep after it, okay?

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    Small groups, keep after it.

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    Patience is another way that we go after it more and more.

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    This person really frustrates me, but I'm not going to avoid them, I'm going to show them grace, and I'm going to learn to love them.

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    Somebody here today is like, "Pastor Jeff, that's exactly how I feel about you." And grow in love, right?

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    Patience, patience.

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    And then tolerance.

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    Tolerance, meaning they might believe some things a little differently than I do.

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    Maybe they're at a different level spiritually.

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    Maybe we don't see eye to eye on everything, but that doesn't mean I hate them.

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    That doesn't mean I'm going to try to beat them up every time I see them, prove my argument.

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    Sometimes love is just like, "Hey, you know what?

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    We don't see eye to eye on this, but I love you anyways.

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    You're my brother." It's okay.

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    Disagreed is not equal hate.

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    Okay?

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    So grow in that compassion, patience, tolerance.

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    So what does Christian living look like?

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    First of all, love more.

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    Secondly, live quietly.

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    Live quietly.

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    Look at verse 11.

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    Verse 11 says, "And to aspire to live quietly." Pause there for a second.

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    Aspire to live quietly.

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    This is a very funny phrase when you think about it.

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    Because he didn't just say live quietly, he says to, what?

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    Aspire.

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    The word can literally be translated "study." It's like, you have goals?

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    Like we have goals, like in the next month I want to, in the next three months, in the next six months, in the next year.

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    That's what this is talking about here.

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    He goes, "Here's your goal.

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    Here's your goal.

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    Your goal, what you're going for, what you're aspiring, what you're striving for, is to live quietly.

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    What's your goal?

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    Interesting, right?

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    Make an effort to relax.

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    Calm yourself down.

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    Settle down.

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    Inspire to live a quiet life.

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    It's living free of conflict.

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    Living free of hostility.

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    In other words, it's the kind of life that doesn't go looking for fights.

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    And some people, they do, they just go looking for fights.

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    How many people know somebody that's just like always looking for a fight?

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    Do you know somebody like that?

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    Don't point, okay?

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    Some of you are like, yeah, him, him.

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    Some people are always looking for a fight and some people are pointing now trying to start a fight, actually.

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    I'd like to remind you one of my favorite Proverbs, Proverbs 26.17 says, "Whoever meddles in a quarrel not his own is like one who takes a passing dog by the ears." I love that proverb.

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    It's so obvious, right?

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    It's like if you're getting involved in a fight that has nothing to do with you, he dog by the ears and you're like, "I don't understand that Pastor Jeff, you went to Bible college, can you explain that?" Yeah, here's what you do, okay? Sometimes out here you see people walking their dogs, okay? So what I want you to do is to go out and sit on that little cement wall thing, when somebody comes by with their dog, just jump out and grab that dog by the ears and just do that and see what happens.

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    What do you think's gonna happen? Nothing good, right?

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    And that's the point. You're better off to just, "That has nothing to do with me, right? That has nothing to do with me. I'm just gonna let that go by." You're getting involved in a fight not your own, you're just grabbing a dog by the ears. Not a good plan. To live a quiet life. You're like, "Well, what does it mean a a quiet life.

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    Well, I'm gonna tell you what it means by telling you what it doesn't mean.

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    Quiet versus, first of all, quiet versus frantic.

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    Quiet versus frantic.

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    Write yourself down.

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    Some people live a frantic life.

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    They're always running, always running.

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    And instead of me controlling my calendar, the calendar always controls me.

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    And I never just seem to find time to just rest in the Lord.

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    Like when was the last time you just like, Sat on your porch and like read the Bible and like hung out, like talking to the Lord.

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    You know, when was the last time you just relaxed?

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    So the quiet life is not frantic.

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    Secondly, it's not anxious.

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    Not anxious, always worried, always worried, always worried about everything, worried about, Worried about my finances and worried about what's going to happen with my kids and what's going to happen with this?

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    And what about politics and the presidential race?

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    What about the stuff with the economy?

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    And just frantic, anxious about everything.

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    That's not the quiet life.

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    Never a peaceful trust in the Lord, just constant worrying about stuff.

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    That's not the quiet life.

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    And thirdly, the quiet life is not the obnoxious life.

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    This kind of takes us back to the dog-ear-grabber guy that's just always aggressive, always aggressive, always pushing my agenda, always, you know, listen to my political stance again.

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    Listen to my belief on social causes.

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    You know, let me tell you what I think about, you know, everything from gun control to fast food workers should make $30 an hour, and they're just like Constantly, constantly beating that drum, beating that drum, like aggressively listen to me.

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    I'm going to force my vegetarian, gluten-free, free-range, organic kale lifestyle on you.

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    That's just obnoxious.

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    It just is.

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    Okay?

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    That's not the quiet life.

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    That's not the quiet life.

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    And really this ties into the very next phrase.

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    Look at verse 11.

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    He says, "And aspire to live quietly and," I love this, "mind your own affairs." Number three, mind your own affairs.

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    Here's how we say it, right?

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    Mind your own business.

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    Did you know that was in the Bible?

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    Let's be honest.

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    How many people are like, "I'm a little shocked that that's a verse in the Bible." The Bible literally says, "Mind your own business." Okay?

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    That's in the Bible.

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    Literally, the Greek phrase is, "Practice your own." That's what the Greek phrase is, "Practice your own." You got your stuff?

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    You got your stuff?

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    Practice your own stuff.

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    That's what it means.

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    A little harsher would be, "Hey, hey, concentrate on yourself." A little harsher would be, "Mind your own beeswax." That was a joke that we had.

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    Remember as kids, we would say, well, go ahead and say it there.

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    What would we say with the 11th commandment, right?

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    Remember the 11th commandment?

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    "Thou shalt mind thine own beeswax." That was our 11th commandment, right?

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    The Dutch uncle way of saying it is, hey, you have a problem with your nose.

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    The problem is it's in my business.

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    That's the harsh way, we're staying away from that.

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    But the Bible says, kidding aside, "Mind your own business." Second Thessalonians 3.11, same theme.

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    He goes through all this stuff again in Second Thessalonians.

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    In Second Thessalonians 3.11, he says, "Don't be a busybody." You know that term, right?

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    A busybody.

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    And we usually just associate that with gossip, and we should, but the picture is just like Like somebody that's just like always busy, always like...

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    What's the word that we use?

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    I think, Marco, I think I heard you say it yesterday about being nebby.

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    That's like a Pittsburgh word, right?

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    Being nebby?

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    Yeah, that's the word busybody.

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    Busybody all over the place.

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    If we're honest, it's very difficult for us because we love gossip.

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    We just, we love gossip.

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    I used to, while I was going through Bible college, I sold magazines.

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    It's amazing how many tabloids there are.

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    Whole magazines dedicated to, here's what's happening in other people's lives, and we sold them like crazy.

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    Like People magazine is like, you know, the high class of the tabloids, but it's the same kind of stuff.

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    Here's people you don't know, you've never met, and hears all the intimate details about their lives, and people eat that stuff up.

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    Some people know more about Princess Kate's baby than they do their own kids.

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    And then you have TMZ, you guys have seen TMZ?

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    How many people have seen TMZ?

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    You've seen a TV show, you know what TMZ is?

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    TMZ, these are those people that like, Jennifer Garner went to the grocery store, and these people like jump out of bushes and shove a microphone in her face and take a bunch of pictures of her.

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    And then they sit around and talk about the pictures.

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    Like, look at those shoes she's wearing.

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    Is she gaining weight?

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    Oh, her eyes look like she's been crying.

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    I wonder what's happening.

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    And people just eat that stuff up.

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    And a word from the Lord, mind your own business.

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    That doesn't mean you ignore needs in the church, right?

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    I mean, that's obvious.

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    I'm ignoring needs in the church.

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    Like we have a guy in our church that's like, "Wow, I'm really having some problems.

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    "Do you guys think you can help me out?" Like, "Sorry, Jeff said to mind my own business.

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    "So take care of that yourself." That's not what it means.

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    It doesn't mean that we don't have breakout time in small group, where we have accountability and prayer.

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    It's not talking about that at all.

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    Like, well, how do I know when something's gossip and when it isn't?

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    I'm gonna give you a checklist here.

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    You ready?

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    Let me give you a checklist.

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    What is/what is not gossip?

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    Here's just a little evaluation, just five quick things, little evaluation you can make for yourself.

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    What is/is not gossip?

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    Number one, does it pertain to me?

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    If you're talking about something with someone and it has nothing to do with you, big caution there, okay?

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    Big caution.

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    If it doesn't pertain to you, you could be entering into the realm of gossip.

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    Number two, am I trying to read someone's motives?

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    Am I trying to read someone's motives?

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    You know, you can enter into the realm of gossip when you start doing that.

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    You know, maybe I'm talking to Darren and we're like, you know, Bob has seemed pretty edgy lately, is he okay?

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    And Darren's like, well, let me tell you why I think he's acting that way.

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    and da da da da da da, and here's why I think, that doesn't happen, obviously, but that's inappropriate to try to read somebody's motives.

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    You're entering into gossip.

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    Number three, is this conversation about someone just an FYI session?

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    Is it an FYI session, meaning, am I just trying to get information from people Or am I just trying to give information about people?

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    If your discussion about a person is just an FYI session, you're entering into gossip.

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    Okay, we'll talk about this in a second, but listen, it's not wrong if you're talking about somebody because you wanna try to help them.

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    Okay, like using this made up scenario earlier, if Darren's like, "Hey, Bob seems really edgy lately.

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    "And how do you think we can minister to him?" We get talk and Darren's like, "You know what, why don't we invite him to go out for coffee and we'll just like pray over him for a while. Like that's a great idea. Now were we gossiping about Bob? No.

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    We were talking about him because we're trying to help him. Do you see the difference? We're trying to help him.

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    That's not gossip. But we start trying to read into his motives or Darren's like, "Hey, let me tell you about Bob and what a jerk he's being. Okay, bye." And we're not trying to do anything to help disciple him. We're entering into gossip territory.

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    Okay, number four, here's another caution.

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    You know, what is, what is not gossip?

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    Here's another thing in your checklist to caution yourself against.

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    Am I giving too many details?

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    Okay, again, same scenario.

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    If Darren's like, "Hey, Bob seems edgy," and we just like, "Why don't we get together with him and pray with him and just see how we can minister to him?" But if it's just like, "Let me tell you all the stuff that Bob told me is going on," He starts getting on all these details that maybe Bob told him confidentially, and we're just sucking up all these details.

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    Now all of a sudden we're busybodies, okay?

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    The details don't matter, the motives don't matter.

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    Just watch out for that, okay?

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    And number five, am I trying to help the person or am I trying to harm their reputation?

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    If you're talking about someone, again, Are you trying to help them or are you trying to harm their reputation?

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    You're like, what do you mean harm the reputation?

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    Like if you're talking about someone and your reason for talking about the person is you wanna lower somebody else's estimation of that person in their eyes, that's gossip.

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    If it's not like, well, let's talk about how we can help.

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    If instead of it's, I think he's kind of a jerk let me tell you all this stuff so that you think he's kind of a jerk too, you're entering into gossip. And that's what Paul warned the Thessalonians about in both of the epistles. Don't be a busybody. And how does he say it here? Mind your own business. First of all, love more. Secondly, live quietly. Thirdly, mind your and affairs and then finally, finally work hard. Work hard.

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    Look at verses 11 and 12.

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    He says, "And to work with your hands as we instructed you, so that you may walk properly before outsiders and be dependent on no one." I'd like to remind you that work was always a part of God's plan.

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    I've heard some people try to make this claim that work is a result of the fall.

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    You know why we work?

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    It's because Adam and Eve sinned.

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    That's not true.

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    Genesis 2.15, work was always part of God's plan.

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    How does work pertain to the fall?

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    As a result of the fall, God said, "Work's going to be hard." You're going to be working the ground and the ground's going to fight back.

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    of the effects of sin, is work is hard.

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    But work was always part of God's plan.

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    And again, the Thessalonians remind you of the context.

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    They're like, "Jesus is coming back?

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    Well just wait.

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    You don't need to go to work.

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    I'm calling in sick for the rest of my career, because Jesus is coming back." That's why Paul says here, and he says it in 2 Thessalonians, "Get a job.

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    Work.

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    Earn a living.

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    Contribute.

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    You know, 2 Thessalonians 3.10 says, "If you don't work, you shouldn't eat." And that's the line that you have to draw.

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    There is nothing harsh about that.

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    If you are unwilling to work, if you get hungry enough, you'll work.

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    Please hear me.

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    I'm not talking about, I'm not talking to, nor is God's Word referring to people that are unable to, okay?

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    Maybe somebody, you know, whether it's an injury or they have some physical problem where they're unable to go to work, they're unable to properly perform at a job or whatever, we're not talking about that.

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    We're really blessed to live in a place that helps take care of people that are unable to work.

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    We're not talking about that.

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    church should be coming around people who are unable to work and help. We're not talking about that. Here's what I'm talking about. I'm talking about people that can work but will not work. That's the problem.

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    And the church should help people, but the church should not enable someone not to work.

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    Notice he says in verse 12, again, "Be dependent on no one." You should work so that you're not dependent on anyone.

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    You're not dependent on the church, you're not dependent on the government, and as adults, you're not dependent upon your parents.

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    we want to help each other out, but biblically we are not to be a burden to others. And I've seen this a lot, there are people who will hop from church to church looking for handouts, and they just run down the line. They're going to the Methodist Church, the Episcopal Church, and they just they run the circuit, and "hey what can you give me? Do you have some food certificates? Do you have a food cupboard? Do you have this? Do you have that?" And they work harder at that than they would if they actually got a job and earned a couple of bucks. But there are people that work the system. Like churches are nice people and if I show up and give them a sad story they'll give me something. I've seen it a lot. And it's not the church's responsibility to support people who can work but won't work. It's just not.

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    Get a job.

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    I had a guy I used to come to me all the time.

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    I need gas, I need food, I need gas, I need more food, I need more gas, I need Christmas presents for my kids, my electric bill needs paid, my cell phone bill needs paid.

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    And eventually I said, "Hey, come to my office and bring a newspaper.

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    Like we're going to find you a job." This guy was able to work, he just didn't want to.

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    Why?

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    Because it was just easy to get onto the church and say, "What do you got for me today?" I'm like, "Hey, it's not biblical.

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    I'll tell you what I got for you.

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    I'm gonna help you get a job." And that's what Paul is saying here.

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    Work with your hands, get a job, go to work, contribute something.

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    This is what the Christian life looks like.

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    We love each other more.

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    You see, we live quietly, We mind our own business and we work hard.

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    And like, whoa, whoa, whoa, wait a second, Pastor Jeff.

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    I know you're like really fired up about evangelism and where's the evangelism in this passage?

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    I don't see the evangelism.

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    I mean, you said that's why we're here, right?

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    Like, aren't we here to evangelize?

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    Like, where's the evangelism at here?

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    Understand that everything that we see in this passage is the key to evangelism.

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    Look at verse 12 again.

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    He says, "So that you may walk properly before outsiders." There's the evangelism.

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    There's the key to evangelism. What Paul's saying is, "Listen, church, here's what you do. Love people, enjoy life as it is, the quiet life, mind your own business, work hard, and you're gonna find that your neighbors and your co-workers are gonna to be like, "Man, why are you like that? You just seem calm, man. You're dealing with the same kind of daily grind that I am, but you just seem to enjoy life. Like, what's so different about you?" And you're like, "Man, God has blessed me.

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    I'm thankful and I just want to live for Him every day. You know, He wants that for everyone.

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    You should come to church with me sometime. You should come. We have a small group that meets at this house where we just get together and we talk and we pray.

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    You should join me sometime because the stuff that God's doing in me, He can do it for you too.

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    You see, that's Paul's point here.

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    You can walk properly before outsiders.

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    When you got what people want, evangelism opportunities are going to be coming to you.

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    You see.

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    as our rally cry, putting all of this together and getting us ready to fire us up to go out the door and be world changers. Here's the word from the Lord today. Listen, church, get on out there and live a quiet and productive life.

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    Let's pray. Father in heaven, we can certainly dismiss the trials that come into Christian life that make it hard sometimes. We've talked about that, but Father, we can also swing so far to the other end and try to make it like the Christian life is just this hard thing, and it really isn't. It's just a daily walk with you. It's just trusting you every day and it's seeing you at work in the daily stuff in the living quietly and minding your own business and going to work and just enjoying life from your hand. Father I pray that you'd settle us down. Certainly we're fired up for your son. Certainly we want to take the opportunities to evangelize and do our small group outreaches and we just sent a group of people halfway across the world to do your work.

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    We're certainly fired up about that, but help us to understand what it means, Father, that we win people when they see our quiet contentedness before you.

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    Let's not make this harder than it is. You want us to enjoy life. You want us to enjoy our relationship with You and our relationships that You have blessed us with in our families and in our church. You want that for us and we thank You for that.

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    Father, if there is anyone here who has just been stirred up, maybe agitated, maybe has been having a hard time minding their own business, maybe has had a hard time for whatever reason loving people.

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    Father, I pray that we would be captured by the beautiful simplicity of this passage and enjoy that life that you've given us. Father, we thank you again for doing the work on our behalf. We couldn't do it even if we tried.

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    You have done the work on On our behalf, we praise you.

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    We thank you in Jesus' name.

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    Amen.

Small Group Questions (Whole Group):
Read 1 Thessalonians 4:9-12

  1. What did Paul mean in verse 9 that believers are "taught by God" to love one another
     

  2. What does it mean to live quietly? "Quiet" as opposed to what? Would you describe your life as "quiet" (v11)?
     

  3. How do you know the difference between "minding your own business" (v11), and reaching out to help someone in need?
     

  4. How does the church know the line between helping someone in need and enabling someone not to work?
     

  5. How is loving, living quietly, minding your own business, and working hard the foundation of evangelism?


Breakout Questions:

Pray for one another